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A broken heart can lead to darkness but finding love again can lead you towards the light.Related content
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he wasΒ horrified but okay 
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Ey this does make sense, since naruto was in a mental breakdown and thanks to hinatas caring words naruto was able to keep going and fight for what he believes is right. And not sink into the loneliness of which obito spoke off and which he is so fond of. What you also meant is that naruto acknowledges hinata as someone that is by his side and is somewhat of a emotional support to keep him on tract of his goal towards the right path.
(I totally got what you meant just wanted to clear your view a bit.)
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these fights are starting to get tedious. it started fun like with everyone just putting up their wishes for the characters. but to note how the change as the story got deeper how the fans have gone to horrendous bashings of each other over the web is draining. so why not just wait till the author gets there. i'm sure he will address it when the time comes.
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See what happens People when you friendzone uchihas!?
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The friendzone doesn't exist.
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Just stating this, the whole "girlfriend" moment was meant to give viewers a feel of nostalgia. Many times before people have asked Naruto if Sakura was his girlfriend. And when Naruto says "yes", Sakura gets angry and hits him for telling people such a lie.
Though I get angry over the beatings, I can't say I blame Sakura for being angry. If some person were spreading rumors about my non-existent love life, I'd be pretty ticked too.
It seems people forget or simply ignore that Sakura has feelings and desires of her own. As well as a different person she actually has romantic feelings for. And then try and force her to be with someone she only sees in a platonic light.
Sorry for posting this here. I got noisy and read your conversation. G'day...
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BK I admire some of your theories and all, you are also a great shipper, but this time...forgive me, I dunno where you are getting at.
I mean....what does Hinata have to do with this? I don't know man, if he really found "love again" he wouldn't have told his dad that he wants Sakura to be his girlfriend.
It was obviously another Obito/Naruto parallel concerning their love interests and goals. That panel you put there at the top right doesn't even come from Naruto's thoughts, if anything he has a similiar (way too similar) flashback with Sai, with more or less the same dialogues.
I'm just wondering that is, hope I didn't offend you. Since you shared this in the Narusaku tag I thought I could give you an opinion from my point of view.
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I am not so even worthy of your presence like what are you even doing here omg
Um. Okay. deep breaths here.
My point is that while the parallel between Obito and Naruto is their base personalities and their unrequited feelings, Naruto has something that shatters that parallel completely. Rather someone that, quite literally, stopped him from letting the despair of losing someone important to him. Obito fell into darkness because he didn't have someone to stop him from losing himself in his lonelines.
Um yea but I can change the tag if it's that serious of a thing!
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Yes Hinata helped him out to come back to reality while Obito didn't have anyone to stop him, I get the point and I agree, no arguments in that but.....what does their love delusions have to do with falling into despair? You make it sounds like Naruto was about to destroy the world when he found out about Sakura's feelings.
Neji is the one who died, not Sakura, Obito wanted to make him understand what it's like to lose someone important to him, in this case a close friend/comrade. Luckily for Naruto, another of his friends was there and helped him to snap out of it, but it wasn't about finding love again. it was about regaining the will and strength to fight and stand for the everyone who entrusted their lives to him. That's why the chapter is called: Connected.
That's what I don't understand with this collage, if it was about Naruto/Neji and Obito/Rin connection then why do you have to drag Naruto's feeling for Sakura in it? It doesn't make sense.
And no don't worry there's no need to remove the tag, just don't be surprised when you receive comments of this kind.
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I see your point. I was attempt to address the parallel of unrequited feelings between and point out the difference was Naruto having someone who does love him so that way he doesn't have to dwell on unrequited feelings. I suppose should have thought this through more.
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The point isn't to let go of your love in favour for someone else, is that even with your love you will neglect the darkness. Unlike Obito, who completely fell over.
And the smile in the first panel is for Sakura. This is just wrong..
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Wonderful contribute to the debate. lol.
Anyways I understood the meaning of the first picture now, just needed a double-take.
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Sorry just not in the mood to debate this type of thing unless it's certain fans.
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Oh so that's what it was about, got it.
But still...even though he has Hinata, what's the difference? He confirmed his feelings for Sakura once again, I really doubt he's going to give up that easily. He's Naruto after all.
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This panel strongly implies that the girlfriend comment was a joke. It's right after chapter 631, and in response to the brutality that Sakura displayed against the Jubi clones. She struck him for the answer he gave Minato. Well, you can see here that Naruto was poking fun at her.
It's up for interpretation, I suppose. The main reason I don't believe that NS is going to flourish is because of chapter 573. Some people have completely overlooked it, like it has no relevance, but it really feels like foreshadowing to me. Hinata boldly stated that once the war was over, she'd be holding Naruto's hand, walking with him.
Why is this important? It's because Hinata shares Naruto's nindo of never going back on your word. Then you have a more recent chapter where Hinata expresses her desire to be by Naruto's side forever. From a literary standpoint, it wouldn't make sense to constantly remind us of Hinata's feelings, especially after the "girlfriend" remark was made, only to have Kishi set her up for failure in the end. It should be considered that if Hinata still intends on pursuing Naruto, then what Kishi is clearly telling us here is that she must not find Sakura to be an obstacle.
Top this off with all of the emphasis that has been given on the hand holding moment..(Which many have tried to pass of as nothing more than transferring chakra) in the manga itself, and on the volume 64 cover. This factor has been pointed out for some time now, but some still aren't aware that two people locking hands is perceived differently in Japan. It's only done between two people that are romantically involved, and even that is a rarity. Kishi has capitalized on the hand holding moment in his manga, even in recent chapters, and on a volume cover. It's more important than some want it to be.
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I love you for that man well sed.
Hinata doesnt see sakura as an obstacle because clearly it is not an d yes chp 573 was foreshadowing and her ninja way guarantess naruhina
And literallyni dont care about narusaku opinions because I dont do pairing war just enjoy friendly naruhina fans discussing.
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Look that's not the first time Naruto get's stunned after seeing Sakura's super strength, right after the time skip during Kakashi's bells test he said the exact same thing, even so he didn't stop acting like he always does.
If you really think Naruto was lying about his feelings, then why did Kishimoto had to include the Kushina/Sakura parallel, followed then by "please Take care of my son" on the same page? If he really wanted it to pass like a lie, he could have just wrote it on the reply Naruto makes right after Sakura's headbut.
Isn't Naruto the one who told Sakura that he hates people who lie to themselves? Wouldn't that be kind of hypocrite?
I do believe most of you started to brush off this moment like it doesn't have any important meaning, but it actually confirmed an important foreshadow made, chapters ago, during Kushina's final words to Naruto.
SHe told him to find a girl like her, and according to Minato's words on chapter 631, he did.
Minato also met Karin, a hotheaded Uzumaki, but hey, he didn't say a word.
Hinata said that after the war she would stop chasing after him and that the next time she will hold his hand and walk with him. I don't get what's so emphasizing here when she has already did that, chapters later. If we have to follow her words then, doesn't that mean that she will move on from Naruto? After all she doesn't go back on her words, it's her nindo.
Hand holding is intimate in Japan like a hug is. The cover represent an important scene that happened in the manga, which is Neji's death. Like BK said before, Naruto was lucky to have someone beside him to snap him out to reality and keep fighting. I think the cover successfully portraits the events right.
Look I know you guys like Hinata and wish she gets what she wants, but this manga is not about her, it about Naruto and his journey to achieve his goals.
It has been hinted that Naruto will never fail where the others did. Look at all the people Naruto's being parallel to: Jiraiya, Obito, Minato, Kushina, Nagato, Dan....they all share his same ideals, goals and also character dynamics.
Even after the recent chapters Kishimoto keeps emphasizing that, he always did since the beginning of his manga.
If I don't have to overlook a volume, then you guys have to try to not overlook the other 63 volumes of his character development.
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just to point this out I have no real intention of following this up but the bell test scene Naruto was impressed by Sakura's strength but is horrified when she demonstrated her strength in the war.
Β being doomed to a fruitless hunt but I really don't want to argue this stuff.
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He has 2 big white round eyes when she punches the ground during the bell test, go check it out.
BTW he's not horrified, if you guys think he is well then go believe it, I don't care if you see it that way, everyone is free to read this manga as they wish.
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immediatly followed by a big goofy smile on the next page.Β And thats a wrap for me.
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Budy you clearly dont get the part where she says " once this war is over" part. Thats the important thing she will be with naruto which quite imply dating marriage at the end of the war. Not during get it in your mine that she sed "in the end of the war" and beyond.
if hinata can move past naruto then why would naruto not do the same over sakura dont cotradict yourself.
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Uh? No pal, she clearly says " once this war is over I'll stop chasing after you" I don't see any marriage proposal here.
If you still think I'm wrong, then why didn't she say " after this war is over I'll make you mine"? You are clearly seeing too much into it. Dating, marriage, afterlife, oh c'mon.
Naruto has already confirmed that he's still in love with Sakura for 100th time now, I'm not contradicting myself, I'm just following what Kishimoto stated, that's it.
Hinata said she will move on, Naruto still hasn't.
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Well am fine if she moves on. But sakura still rejects him. And her confession was her settling for someone she doesn't love.
Hinata sed ill stop chasing after you, because it means she'll be with him, as together. Hinatas confession doesnt show that she takes her feelings for naruto lightly. Her confession proves that shes serious about being with naruto.
beaides naruto respond to gf is not solid is to questionable and questionable things are not 100% correct. Plus after he sed yes he sed some things that clearly show denial. I truelly dont see what narusaku has that makes you believe it will happen its being rejected by both. On sakuras confession he sed dont lie to your self cuz I know you love sasuke and not me.
but what ever. what ever happens happens I was just stating a point of view. Theres no way I can be 100% correct and neither can you. Good day!
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Huh? No she said she will be with him next time holding his hand, like she did in Chapter 615, that's what she meant for the "next time" part, while for the after the war part she said she will stop chasing after him, meaning she understood he doesn't feel the same way about her.
Hinata knows that now she can only be there for him as a comrade, shikamaru also said that Naruto makes him want to walk with him, though Shika hasn't shown any feelings for him besides being a comrade.
You are forgetting about Naruto here, that's the main problem with your statements: Naruto hasn't yet said that he doesn't love Sakura anymore, where did you get that from? If he moved on from her he would have accepted Hinata's feelings by now, but he didn't.
Naruto doesn't give up and never will, that is his ninja way ( not to mention he still has to confess his feelings to Sakura, again foreshadowed on a previews flashback with Sai). Kishimoto has being shown this through parallels and foreshadowings, for the parallels example you can look up at the recent flashback with Minato and Obito, where Minato told him to not give up on Rin and being Hokage. That specific flashback has an indentical dynamic of team 7, doesn't that ring a bell? And what about Kushina's advice on girlfriends? She tells Naruto to find someone like her, if Kishimoto wasn't serious about it then why did he made Minato comment on Sakura and Kushina's similarities? He also asks Her to take care of his son, isn't that enough?
There is a major factor that makes Narusaku different from any of the other rival pairings, and is development. Yes, from the beginning until now, you are free to deny it but it's there, in all the 65 volumes of the series.
But yeah, none of us can be 100% sure, I agree.Β
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Well you lost all your credit when you brought shikamaru into this.
Plus naruto hasn't responded to hinatas confession, so lets just wait for yes or no. if narusaku happens am fine with it, not oppose to it but I dont see the intention from kishi leaning there. And after 65 volumes sakura has yet to show feelings for naruto other then rejection.
Plus why would hinata move on when she hasn't even being rejected yet as long as she isn't rejected there is hope. Her confession was clear on the fact that hinata does want a serious relationship with naruto. She by no means has moved on.
If you want to compare minakushi, then let me tell you this, when kushina told naruto why she felt in love with minato it is very similar to what has happen with naruhina. But I dont use third party views to show how naruto might feel for hinata or anyone else.
Anyways I find these debates unecessary since they do not accomplish anything and people will love the pairing they love no matter what. Even if it has no chances, ex. leesaku or sasuhina. But I firmly believe kishimoto intents to end its final official pairing with naruhina. Its a positive relationship and that makes all the difference. Good day.
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Look we are running in circles here, I explained you everything on my preview post but looks like you didn't read my points at all and you are still bringing up the same arguments all over again. Let's just stop it here otherwise it will be useless. Lets ship whatever we like and everything will be fine, peace bro.
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Well done.
I agree with everything you've said in that comment.
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If you want to think that then you're free to do so.
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Sorry BK I'll stop here,thanks for the explanation btw, I really appreciated it! Cheers~
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Actually the word that Minato used can also be translated as girl friend. We don't know what Naruto thought he said, which is why Naruto also said he guessed she was.
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No Kanojo, the word Minato used, can be only translated as girlfriend in this context. Kanojo can also mean "She" but that wouldn't make sense:
"Are you Naruto she?"
That doesn't sound pretty, does it?
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But it all depends on the connotation. Again explains Naruto's confusion.
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....you are kidding, right?
What now Minato can't recognize a female when he sees one?
Naruto wasn't confused, he was surprised, it's different.
If we have to follow your interpretation, then Naruto told his Dad that Sakura is more or less a "SHE".
Please don't try to twist what is confirmed, there's no need, really.
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Let's just agree to disagree.
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Sure, let's keep denying and everything will be fine!
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I could explain in detail why NS won't happen, but I do that enough on Tumblr. But you've been dropping the words.."Denial" and Twisting" which I find most amusing. Allow me to show you what's REALLY being denied and twisted.
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^"Oh, Sasuke's not really a great guy, which means that she feels bad loving him!" No. She's simply in pain, because he hasn't been that great of a guy. That doesn't mean that she's stopped loving him.
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^"Sakura's just surprised to see him!" No. It's not that difficult to understand Sakura's expressions here. This is the reaction of a girl that is absolutely flustered and surprised to see the man she loves.
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^"Sasuke arrived first! That's why she was happy that he saved her!" No. Once again, Kishi is stressing the fact that Sakura's expressions and reactions tell us the real story. Her feelings lie with Sasuke. Not Naruto."
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^"The hand holding scene was just chakra transfer!" Yup. That's totally why it was given close up shots, brought up chapters later, depicted on a volume cover, and just emphasized on in general.
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^I'm not really sure how some people are interpreting this, but apparently, those people don't find it peculiar that Kishimoto continues to remind us of Hinata's feelings and desire to be with Naruto. I'll say it again. She swore that once the war was over, she'd be holding Naruto's hand and walking with him. Hinata, like Naruto, does not go back on her word. It's crucial to her character development.
The most common and favorite argument used when it comes to the NS pairing is.."The next generation will always surpass the previous one. Which means that Naruto will get the girl, unlike Obito." There is a big difference between Naruto and Obito. Obito's love became an unhealthy obsession. He kept trying to win Rin's love and couldn't accept that she loved Kakashi. Naruto HAS accepted Sakura's love for Sasuke on numerous occasions. He isn't following in Obito's footsteps. You don't have to take my word for it, but trust me, Naruto will surpass Obito. Just not in the way that some people think. He'll do what Obito could not and let go of Sakura. It's just as the saying goes, there are plenty of fish in the sea. It's already been hinted at by Kishi himself, but sooner or later, Naruto will realize that he's always had someone who genuinely loves him. Sorry, but he's making it very obvious that Hinata's feelings are going to be reciprocated in the end. Otherwise, there would be no purpose in reminding us of her FEELINGS and DESIRE to BE WITH Naruto, which is also backed up by her statement to do so.
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"Moving forward with your head high and NOT TAKING BACK ANY OF YOUR WORDS. That is also my way of the ninja!" Pretty self-explanatory.
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Your senses weren't lying to you, there are indeed written "Denial" and "Twisting" in my above replies! Good job!!!
...too bad that wasn't meant to deny or twist any other manga pannels in particular, but the RAW translation from chapter 631.
You might also find AMUSING to discover that you totally ignored my reply to your previous comment, which also, what a coincidence, answers back all the points you just made.
I'll tell you something: before copy/pasting rants from Tumblr, you should have read the conversation me and the person above were having from the BEGINNING. Yes, from the START. Kind of weird when something we read entirely might change context and how just FEW RANDOM PARTS that catch our interest might not deliver it. How curious.
Frankly, I have the feeling you think I represent the whole NaruSaku fandom and all the anti-arguments usually used against Sasusaku(which I don't understand why you brought it up) and Naruhina. Well I'm sorry, I AM NOT. I'm just an individual with an opinion, not a representative or a president.
That being said, I'll just leave one of my impressions you gave me after reading your post:
If you really thing Naruto will give up in any of his dreams, I'm sorry, you didn't get the message of this manga.
Read the reply you missed and write down some of the points you think I didn't answer. I'll be glad to give you my opinion, if your ever want to hear any, that is.
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I agree that he said "girlfriend" as in the romantic sense of the word, but you also have to look at the context and chapter it was placed in.
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A chapter with team 7 reunited, Minato going Biju mode, the hogakes joining the alliance and Sakura's determination to show her full power....
Yeah the most awaited chapter of the series, what a joke!
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It was used as a comedic transition, also. Not to mention a bit nostalgic.
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If it's nostalgic than it means things didn't change at all under some aspects, am I correct?
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In a sense, yes. Naruto still messes with Sakura, Sakura still looks towards Sasuke with those 'big eyes', Sasuke's still acting cool, and Kakashi's off doing something else. xD
Naruto has matured by leaps and bounds, though. I was surprised that when Sasuke arrived, Naruto didn't make a big scene.
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....Kakashi's...off doing something else?
You make it sound like he was off reading some Icha-Icha paradise just for the lulz.
He was fighting Obito, how is that comedic or nostalgic? What does it have to do with chapter 631 anyway?
are we reading the same manga?
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