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***...It's time to come back home...***The idea's to (re)merge classical painting with illustration.
Even wider.
- Acrylic on board (32x40cm)
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@^@ ...now, this is a creative communication...
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Nuh it isn't. It's philosophical.
@*@
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GREAT! You see, IT IS creative communication. I've managed to convey message using nonstandard ideograms.
As for philosophy, I'm just a painter and the allknowing Aristotle would look at me like on a poor technician. "Only the poetry deserves muses", says Aristotle.
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Who cares about Aristotle anyway.. he's so outdated.
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LOL. But seriously, don't say that even as the joke. Antic societies, especially Greece, were so much more advanced than anything a modern man has today, that it's beyond comparison.
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Just because he was a very intelligent men with a lot of knowledge it doesn't make everything he said true; it's one person, and one person is always subjective. Greece was very advanced; looking at what they knew back then, and looking at what people thought in the middle ages is just ridiculous. Hippocrates, back then, already thought mental illnesses could be heritable (I study psychology); back then he also acknowledged the fact that family and social network could also be a huge factor, and he treated some patients by removing them from their family and putting them in relaxing places where they could calm down and where people took good care of them.
In the middle ages people with mental illnesses were said to be possessed by the devil and locked up in horrifying circumstances. Sometimes the already greatly anxious people were held above a hole filled with poisenous snakes, to 'scare the devil out of them'. And that's just one example of the quite creative remedies they came up with.
Antic societies have developed thoughts and ideas that only in the past century, or even in the past decades have been scientifically proven to be of true or of use. That is amazing. But I don't agree that in these modern days we are less advanced then in the ancient times; we catched up. We know things, and can do things, that people in the antic times could only have dreamed of. I don't think people should undervalue the things people do these days and keep hanging on to the ancient times.. And I also don't agree with anything an Aristotle or a Hippocrates has said just because they said it; they might have been right about many things, doesn't mean they're right about everything. Frankly, it's a fact they weren't right about everything. Doesn't mean it wasn't great what they accomplished back then, but it also means their theories shouldn't be put over modern-day ones. And the subjective, opinion-things are not a matter of right or wrong..
So when Aristotle says "Only the poetry deserves muses" I say that's his opinion, and then say that I don't agree
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When I speak of Aristotle, I'm referring to all Antic Greece, since he (and others notable men of that time), are just products of that society, since early Dracon's period (8th century BC, until disappearance). I red Aristotle's "Logic" and it's a nice peace of reading and I'm sure revolutionary (or maybe not?!) in that time, but otherwise nothing special. These are just details and you can or can't agree with them, but that's unimportant and is more trend/time constrained than universal.
What I do take from Antic Greece, is its universal approach to a human being as a whole person, build of both matter and spirit and Plato by being philosopher and wrestler is the great example (IIRC "Plato" means broadshouldered). So, it's possible then for Greek warriors besieging the Troy, to write poems between guarding duties (or battles) and then the whole notion of being under Troy for 10 years makes sense, since they took their whole society (which is as small as 1 man, being "homo universalis") and just translated it on Troy's shore.
So, when comparing modern societies, in that important terms, Greece is way ahead of anything we have today. Even its slavery based structure, was way more gentle toward slaves than today's employers are toward employees. Just for illustration, Athens had about 10,000 citizens and 80,000 slaves! Those slaves must have been very content, otherwise would overthrow Athens' Senate in the minute.
Other is the question of the family and familiar life and today's societies are joke comparing to Antic. Don't mistake social substitutes, for real mothers and fathers here, which sociologists very often do.
So, my point is, all we know now was known then and possibly more, since someone prudently choose to burn Alexandrian Library down.
They just choose not use what they knew, for very good reasons, but that's another story.
You have very refined aesthetic taste. Have you ever considered studying Fine Arts?
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No, I'm afraid we won't agree on this then... The antic society was amazing for that time, but you musn't overlook it's mistakes and deficits, because a perfect society is something that hasn't existed yet, and most probably won't.
It's always easier to critisize ones own time because you are living in it; the antic times have been so overly glorified, so idolised, so romantisized; this irritates me, because it was reality, and reality isn't perfect.
It's easy to idolise antic times (and ancient wise-men) because they are gone; you can't go back to see how it really was. But I can assure you, all the deaths, horrors, rapes, and everything more were just as real, just as harsh, and just as ugly as they are now. There's nothing glorified about it. People fight, people kill, people die.. that's not poetic. The stories, those are poetic; yes. But the stories, the philosophies, the art, they are not the reality.
I love stories, I love epic battle-ones, I love ones about societies like those from the Ancient Greeks; but I don't mistake them for the real antic times.
And about slavery; I really disagree with you on that. Slavery is about degrading someone to a possession; what do you think this does to someones feeling of self-esteem? And I don't mean that in a oh-how-sad-way, but it is essential in 'not overthrowing the senate'. Treat someone like a possession, and this person will become one. It will not be a person anymore, it won't have an own will anymore. Who knows how many slaves would have made great philosophers, great thinkers, if they had been raised to be persons? And just because people accept their fait, that doesn't mean it is justified. Female genital cutting is accepted in a lot of cultures too. Women even force it upon their daughters. That doesn't mean it is justified, that it is human.
You simply can not compare 10.000 people, with 80.000 slaves. They are different kinds. Not comparable. And that's (just one of the many) differences between employers and employees in these modern times. Those both are humans. Another example; here in Holland it is not justified for an employer to rape an employee; as I recall, in the ancient greek times it was quite acceptable in slave/slave-keeper relations. Now, I find this a bit more important than being talked to nicely by your boss at work.
Don't take the modern times for granted.. both knowledge-wise and ethical wise. The ancient Greeks were greatly ahead of their time, but they were far from perfect. I am really, really grateful for living now and not thousands of years ago. I live now, in 2009, I have a great family, I got to study whatever I wanted.. when I'm sick I can profit from the knowledge that was only just arising in the ancient times; and this knowledge is growing every day. Things ancient philosophers could only guess at, are fully discovered and remedies have been found. I'm glad I live in these times. It's not as if that means rejecting the antic times; their knowledge is still used. This society has been developed from the antic times.
Neeh.. I've had art subjects on high school, and my bookcase is filled with art books (and with history books.. a lot of them are about the antic times 
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Ok, whatever you say...
I studied painting on an Academy of Fine Arts.
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No, but that's just my philanthropy talking and I guess, deep down, I saw that coming.
So, let's get back on cheerful subjects of aesthetics and me trying to make a photographer of you (maybe even a painter), rather then philosopher (you can't blame me for trying
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What did you expect from it, then?
I am interested in philosophy (got a lot of books about philosophers too.. I like books, they're pretty), and I am aware of different kinds of philosophies, I just like certain philosophies (and philosophers) better than others
Let's go back to the beginning of this conversation..
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@/\@ - I like books too, especially if I did the cover.
But hey! I just noticed. This all goes to my "Elven Knight" painting comments. LOL, I can imagine some of the faces reading that, already. Anyway, in future, such topics over e-mail, pls/lol.
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You're the one who dragged Aristoteles into our conversation! I was quite satisfied with the way the conversation was before @!@
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Ok, me culpa. Suits me right for poking the wasp's nest. !@<>@!
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looks like i'll be spending some time in this awesome gallery!
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Glad you like it and glad to see a fellow "classicist".
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