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In this picture I am expressing/showing or trying to deliver the true nature of Ernesto Che Guevara that most people cannot see...I know that this is a free world, and people believe whatever they want. Yes he had great ideas, wonderful ideas, he wasn't that great, innocent or good as many people might think he was in real life.---------------------------------------------------------------------------
CHE SHOW ONLY GLORIFIES PORTRAIT OF A RUTHLESS KILLER
BY SARA LEQUERICA DE LA VEGA
The decision by the Fowler Museum of Cultural History to mount the exhibition "Che Guevara: Icon, Myth and Message" has painfully shocked and offended the Cuban-American community of Los Angeles.
As it is, this exhibition demonstrates how Guevara’s "admirers" have constructed, manipulated and displayed his image for mainly political ends. The idealization of the Argentine revolutionary, who was a key figure in the Cuban Castro Revolution, portraying him as a romantic hero, intellectual and freedom fighter, contributes to the distortion of Ernesto "Che" Guevara.
This man, who ordered the execution of countless human beings while in charge of the notorious La Cabaña prison in Havana, who terrorized Cuban society and who denied freedom to thousands of citizens whom he considered "deviants" or "anti-revolutionaries" can never be accepted as a hero, martyr or -- the shock of it -- a saint. The blood of thousands of Cubans is on the hands of "Che" Guevara. The families who lost loved ones cannot condone this exhibition and must protest and express their anger and disgust. The revulsion of Cubans to this event is as valid and honest as would be that of the Jewish community if confronted with the idealization of Adolf Hitler.
Ernesto "Che" Guevara dreamed of creating the "New Man" at any cost. During the Cuban missile crisis, he was in favor of a nuclear war because he believed that a better world could be built from the ashes, regardless of the cost in millions of lives. By adhering to his anti-American feelings and pro-Soviet stance, he achieved a role in history that stands for one failure after another, both in Cuba, as well as in all the other countries where he went to promote and disseminate Castro’s Revolution.
Ernesto "Che" Guevara had all the characteristics of a ruthless dictator and opponent of freedom. He believed that the end justifies the means, and he fanatically adhered to this gospel. This "idealized icon" is the one who, as a modern day Grand Inquisitor, eliminated many of his foes with a single pistol shot to the back of their heads. And he is also the same one who authored these enhancing words printed in the identity booklets of young Cuban soldiers sent to fight in Angola: "Blind hate against the enemy creates a forceful impulse that cracks the boundaries of natural human limitations, transforming the soldier in an effective, selective and cold killing machine. A people without hate cannot triumph against the adversary."
Guevara’s elevation as symbol of goodness, due to the self-indulgence and frivolity of pampered Western pseudo revolutionaries, speaks clearly of their lack of critical objective analysis, forgetting that, as Anthony Daniels states, "The difference between ‘Che’ Guevara and Pol Pot was that Guevara never studied in Paris."
Being UCLA a first-rate research university and a place of knowledge, it is expected that the public conferences planned for October 24 and 25 will include exiled Cuban historians and intellectuals who will shed a different light from the one promoted by the exhibition. This way, history will be properly served.
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Here in this link you can see a video about the true nature of Che Guevara and the false ideas and concepts that people have created (my only regret is that the video is on Spanish, i am still trying to find the same video but in English)[link]
Below there are some of his not well-known quotes, mmm I wonder why...
Crazy with fury I will stain my rifle red while slaughtering any enemy that falls in my hands! My nostrils dilate while savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood. With the deaths of my enemies I prepare my being for the sacred fight and join the triumphant proletariat with a bestial howl!"
"Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become … "
"I ended the problem giving him a shot with a .32 pistol in the right side of the brain, with exit orifice in the right temporal. He gasped for a little while and was dead. Upon proceeding to remove his belongings I couldn't get off the watch tied by a chain to his belt, and then he told me in a steady voice farther away than fear: "Yank it off, boy, what does it matter." I did so and his possessions were now mine."
"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary... These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate."
"We must carry the war into every corner the enemy happens to carry it: to his home, to his centers of entertainment; a total war. It is necessary to prevent him from having a moment of peace, a quiet moment outside his barracks or even inside; we must attack him wherever he may be, make him feel like a cornered beast wherever he may move."
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I'm also Cuban and I know the truth.
I too hate the way that people idolize this monster. It just sickens me... I see people walking around university with his face on their T-Shirts, half of them don't even know who he was. I have even met a couple of people who thought that he was a singer. I mean really?
Down here (I live in the US, a couple of minutes away from Mexico) people idolize him. They love him and they love Castro. Whenever a professor from school finds out that I am Cuban, they want to talk to me- they want me to tell them about how great Cuba was. But when I tell them the truth, they refuse to listen.
The funny thing is that they live here in the U.S. They can do lectures talking about how bad the U.S government is and spend hours glorifying Cuba's current condition and brainwashing their students into believing everything they say. But you know what? They have food on the table, they have money, and most importantly: they have freedom. They're free to express their opinions openly, free to say that they hate the U.S and that they hate the president.
Unfortunately, the people in Cuba cannot do the same. It's a shame.
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Hey thanks for the comment and yep, as much as I explain to people the real meaning of an icon like Che, they will always do what they want. A singer? loooooool that is funny, I guess the hippies, ignorant people and the Cuban government have created a false image around him. The worse thing that a foreigner could tell a Cuban is that they know more than our history, and I met a couple of hot heads like that.
The main problem with people like Che, Castro, Chavez, Michael Moore, Sean Penn and many others, is that unfortunately the US have created a bad reputation around them, and an opportunity raises for individuals like those I mention before to create false propaganda around the world against the US (or simply focusing in the negative aspects when its true without looking to the good side), and in the end they end up getting the support of the US's haters (with and without reasons for hating) around the world. The saddest thing ever is a person will tell you that he/she likes these type of characters just because they were against the US without even knowing what their true intentions were.
I dislike those who do not live in Cuba and glorify its system, saying how good it is. My only answer to them is "go and live like a Cuban, and you will see how happy you will be". A good example of false propaganda is in the movie Sicko... it made me sick seeing Moore going to Cuba and just saying how good the health care system was, when in fact he took the cancer patients to the Hospital for tourists, and still people praise that deceiving person pretending to be a good citizen.
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I am cuban and I know the thruth. As you said everyone is free to believe what they want, but many people don't know who che is, they are not informed and use t-shirts with his image. Let us send the right message,the thruth about him.
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Thanks for the comment. Yep I will love to see people realizing that what they are wearing in shirts is not a symbol of peace and progression, but a symbol oppression and dictatorship.
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Ernesto was a dick! The people of Cuba are still suffering under the dictatorship that he brought to power.
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Amazing piece man; I seriously dig how you cut through the propaganda and idolization and show the man for what he really was.
He did indeed have some wonderful ideas and did do some good, but his methods and overall ideology were absolutely monstrous. I guess that's the story of Communism really. I don't know, maybe it's because Marx encouraged revolution without explicitly laying out how Communism was supposed to work as an economic system that things went awry..I really say much on it considering I'm only just starting to look into Communism.
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Thanks for the comment. Basically I thought about how well establish false-communism propaganda have cemented itself in democratic countries, creating division, dissent and ideological confusion.
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Heh, you made him look brutal while maintaining how he usually looks in the portraits I've seen.
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I like the idea, which I have also used in the past, but the skull doesn't quite line up with the face...
I hope you accept this as constructive criticism and not in a negative way.
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cnileone, i am always up to listen constructive criticism and I always thanks does who do it, because it helps. In fact I do not take criticism offensive at all, looool off course there is always some sort of people they proclaim themselves art critics or critics in general and al they do is bash others people's work just because they do not like it or they do not see beyond what they have in front of their eyes (saying this loooool sounds a bi like myself whenever i am at the art gallery and i see a piece of comtemporary art loooooool)... so yeah i do accept your criticism
Cheers
Alex
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the idealization of Ernesto was caused by the needing of USA to destroy his rebel meaning.
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Excellent picture. Most decidedly Not a hero.
Y'know what's funny? Neither side likes it that Guevara is a pop culture icon with his face on t-shirts: Those against him don't want a monster being idolized mistakenly, and those that are Really for him don't want their idol turned into a capitalistic device, as it goes against their ideology.
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Great point. i see kids in my school running around in Che Guevara t-shirts not knowing what sort of man (or monster) he really was.
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Les capitalistes éxécutent financièrement des personnes mais c'est plus discret... et de longue durée...
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Thanks for the comments because I really appreciate any comments from anyone 
Thanks a lot for the comments once again
Cheers
Alex
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I know ur not a yank, I was being sarcastic 
and i really totally do know that Che was in no way a saint, but you arent exactly fair to him either....anyhow thank you for writing that lovely long comment
and I still think that it is a really well done piece of art (O:
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Great portrait of one of the greatest influences of the age!
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thanks for the comment chief
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I think you missed the meaning of this picture.
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It is a great drawing.
He is an icon.
I did not say he did not kill and murder.
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Well, it still does look pretty cool.
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Indeed it does.
Not a shabby avatar btw.
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I like, and share your notion of deconstructing the Deification of Icons [link]
Che Guevara was a MAN. He had good, and bad traits. He made mistakes, like anybody does.
One mistake cost him his life.
Extremists, who try to make out that he is a GOD, or the DEVIL, are part of the problem. Meet me in the middle 
PS Good Work, I will read ALL of the Artists Comments, and dialogue on this page at a later date
CW
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Thanks for the comment chief, and yes i agree with you about the extremes (right and left) are the cause of the problems. Yes he did have good ideas, although some of his actions did in fact not match with some of his ideas when other actions were pretty straight forward (good or bad).
"Some times mistakes are made intentionally" Think about this phrase.
Thanks again
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With all the giant propaganda machine of the west capitalist world and the cold war anti communist histeria against him (and people like him) and still these kind of statements seem ridiculus comments only accepted by the retard and the totally uneducated
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First of all nassov, I have to ask where are you from? Are you from Latin America, Africa or any other third world country? If you are, please man, wake up and smell the shit that surrounds you, and stop blaming all your country’s problems (corruption, misery, poverty, etc.) on the “West Capitalist World”, “United States” or someone else, and start looking who are the real responsible of your country’s misfortunate. Now days is easy to blame everything to your next door neighbors than assuming that there is really something wrong with your own backyard. If you are not from Latin America, Africa or any other third world country, then man wake up too and look around the marvelous things that your country have to offer for you to go forward, I hope you are not in one of the last self-proclaimed “Communist countries”, because since you look like a guy who like to read the “bullshit” written by the “giant propaganda machine”, you might know that the Communist state in reality is an unreachable political state, and frankly my friend, even if you believe that it can be achieved, the truth is that this is “only accepted by the retard and the totally uneducated” people who still believe that is a reachable step on the political ladder; not even Socialism is reachable, and any country such as: USSR, China, N. Korea, Cuba and others that have claim to have achieve this state they are all full of it.
Second, you said that you know that Ernesto Che Guevara was never a Saint, or something; that you don’t believe in superhuman icons. Well what he is for you? Tell me my friend, what you think that his image now days stands for? He is just another tool used by anybody who is against the capitalist system, and uses it for their own advantages; the anarchists use his image, the so called Freedom Fighters use it, the guerrillas use it, the so called Communist movement use it, hey man even musician and art people use it because they think is cool; therefore because the rest of the population “retarded and the totally uneducated” see all those examples that I wrote before using it, they go ahead and use his image without knowing what he really stands for. I see that you feel with the necessity of having 1, 2, 3, many Che Guevara in today’s world; for what? So they can tell me either I am with them or not? Bullshit man, that’s fascism, and he had that line of thinking from the Chinese Communist perspective (Maoism). Have you ever live in a “communist” country? Well I have man, and it’s all a lie what they export to the rest of the world; just like your “giant propaganda machine of the west capitalist world and the cold war anti communist hysteria”, all those self-proclaimed communist or socialism countries, they have a brutal propaganda machine worse than any other propaganda machine that you’ll ever know, yeah man, worse than the fascism propaganda machine.
Man read a little bit more, read something different from the crap that opportunist people keep selling to the retard and the totally uneducated people as you said yourself. Read more and document yourself, and you will find out that he (Che) is not fit to be a flag of any communist movement, or any good movement at all.
By the way if you are wondering where am I from; I am from Cuba, so I know all about the bullshit “that miserable and liars” on top in countries like Cuba try to sell to the rest of the world, and use Che as a flag of examples (yeah examples of being in charge of the shooting squad in Cuba). Besides if you truly believe on what Che really stands for; why you put on your signature this: Un patriota (A patriot) = un idiota (An Idiot); maybe you are not really convince of his deeds.
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I agree that the majority of so called "communist" and ex "comunist" countries are a fraud. They sure have (and had) an awfull lot of fascist AND capitalist elements. And its sure that the image of Che is used by almost everyone nowadays for political and commercial reasons. You can like him or not, agree or disagree, call him a saint or an asshole, thats freedom of opinion. But it doesnt justify distorting his actions and way of thought. It doesnt justify introducing a man who has devoted and given his life to the stuggle for a world with equal oportunities as a bloodthirsty criminal psycho.
And thank you for your advice to read more, but I have surelly read more than you, I have read his writings, many bios and even a lot of harsh critisism to his actions an ideas. But its the first time I stumble on this kind of shit that reminds me of naive grandmas storries about "the boogieman".
And, no offence, it is well known and perfectly natural that the majority of cuban exiles, at least sortly after the Cuban revolution, were the ones benefited socially and economically from the anterior dictatorship. The majority of these people were the ones for whom the only ideal goals in life were having the bigest car, the bigest house and exploiting as many people as they could. It makes perfectly sense for them to think of Che as the boogieman, he was of the ones who fought against their privileges... Yes, there sure existed honest people too, who disagreed with how the system of Fiedel turned out, but they were minority. I don’t know if that’s your story, if it is you are more justified to think that way than others.
And why the hell are you so sure that a real communist state can never exist? I m so tired of people telling this like it is written in Gods book or something.
Have you ever heard of the zapatistas communities in Chiapas (Mexico)? They dont call it communism, but its very close in its essence. Its a place where EVERYBODY is able to influence society with his opinion, a place were the social goods are equally distrubuted. A place were the revolutionary forces after kickin out the landlords and the multinacionals who were exploiting the natives, gave weapons to EVERYBODY living there. Telling them that this serves for them to be able to defend themselves against the state of mexico in case it attacks them, and also against the revolutionary forces themselves, in case that they turn out to be just another oppressive force! Yes, you read correctly, the guys gave weapons to the people proposing them to use them against themselves if they turn out to be bad.
I m from Greece by the way, a quite typical western capitalist country, and some of the wonderful things my country has to offer to me is unemployment, badly paid jobs which are the reason that almost nobody at the age of 30 can afford to start a family, and some new marvelous laws that indicate that the majority of the new generation is never gonna take a retirement. It also has to offer me a lot of patriotic bullshit of the great historical role of Greece, a patriotism that is used to keep people distracted from their real problems and turning them against the immigrants, that’s the patriotism my signature is referred to , not the patriotism of solidarity that expressed Che.
And it also offered me fire. With a new law that makes companies and landowners able to exploit burned out forest, a huge part of Greece was burned to ashes this summer resulting to more than 60 people dead and the natural environment devastated. You see, the thing is that if the “communist” system fell by itself, its because it made some countries miserable. But if the capitalist system continues like that without being overthrown, its gonna fall also. But it will fall because its gonna BLOW UP THE WHOLE FUCKING PLANET
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nassov thanks for pointing out “yourself” that in this world we can have freedom of expression, freedom opinion and freedom choice, and I understand that one man can be a revolutionary to one and a terrorist to other; the whole beauty about this world is no matter we agree or disagree on a topic we still are being ourselves, expressing our point of view peacefully without imposing it to one another. Now you are saying that the majority of the communist or ex-communist countries were or are a fraud…maybe you can help me to see at least one communist country on the past or the present that did something good, and when I say help me, please don’t not repeat the same propaganda that those countries export to the rest of the world, because I have read them all as a part of the daily school teaching diet, if you understand what I mean.
First of all nassov, nobody is distorting anything about Che Guevara, and I say this because my friend, I we all have to study his life entirely in my country as part of the school system; we all have to yell “We will be like Che (Seremos como el Che)” in front of the flag every morning before classes and after singing the national anthem. Hey you may think, wow man that’s so cool; well yeah for a little kid that I was back then it was awesome saying that along with the other students because non of us have nop clue what really Che Guevara stood for (you can call that brainwashing from a very young age, something that the Cuban government is good at), but unfortunately in my country and so the rest of the world, have this tendency of IDOLIZATION (the act of idolizing, adoring or worshiping, especially to excess) toward historical figures like Che. I am not denying that he had some good ideas, and good intentions (so say the majority of books about him if you wonder if I don’t read, because as I said before we have to do a deep study of him in school), but man the reality is different than dreams, can’t you see that. Yeah some dreams they come true, but tell me for how long those dreams will stay clean and pure in the harsh reality of life if they flourish?
Second of all, you are going against your own words. How’s that? Well man, before you were waiving the flag of freedom of opinion, freedom of expression and choice proudly and later you are telling me who the hell we are to “distort” Che’s image, and how you “stumble on this kind of shit that reminds me of naive grandma’s stories about the boogieman”. Well man that what fascist do. They tell you is all right to express yourself and give your opinion out loud, but as soon as someone say something that they don’t like, BOOM!; all hell break loose and you really see their mask; you really see who they are; and they will piss and shit on the same freedom of opinion that they were proud waiving to the rest of the world, just like you did before with those absurd’s comments like grandma’s stories about the boogieman.
Don’t worry man I am not offended at all, because this is not the first time and for sure it will not be my last dispute about either Che’s image and/or the situation of my country; yes I have found out to my surprise that the rest of the world (like you, that maybe had never set a foot in that island if I am correct), knows more apparently about the Cuban history than the real Cubans who live and die there. I applaud you and all the others for that, for your interest in knowing about the Cuban situation before and after Castro. Now let me tell you something small maybe you know it maybe you don’t. When the Cuban revolution was on full effect, I will say that most of Cuba’s population believe on it (when I say most I am not excluding the high class or rich people, because there were a “BIG NUMBER” of them, that contributed to that cause). Now you were saying that “IT’S A WELL KNOW FACT AND PERFECTLY NATURAL THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE CUBAN EXILES…WERE THE ONES BENEFITED SOCIALLY AND ECONOMICALLY FROM THE ANTERIOR DICTATOR”, but what about the massive exodus throughout the 60’s to the 70’s, in the 80’s or the 90’s. Are you telling me that all those Cuban exiles (which the number is between 4-5 millions) that left on those periods of time were the one benefited by Batista? All the way to the 90’s and right now days? Wow man I am impressed if you think that way, which you are entitle to it.
Who say something about God’s book or anything like it; you are twisting the words and the direction of our topic. If you have the solution or the glue to make real the communist system in the world, well man, I’ll be glad to listen to your proposal, because “IN THEORY” the communist system is the perfect political and social stage or step in a country, but in real life it doesn’t work; name a solution if you have it. Besides you say it yourself “… the “communist” system fell by itself, because it made some countries miserable.”…now there is something that we finally can agree on, and the funny thing about it is, it made all those countries miserable (the people, the masses, the infrastructure, the economy, the political system itself), while all the of those on power were enjoying all the benefits. NOW EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT PART OF COMMUNISM IS THAT, OR AT LEAST WHERE THE FOREFATHERS OF COMMUNISM WROTE THAT BECAUSE LAST TIME I READ EXAMPLES LIKE THAT, WAS WHEN I WAS STUDYING THE FEUDAL SYSTEM!!!
I see your point about the Zapatistas, and let me tell you I don’t know anything abut them, and honestly I have to more read about it, because my knowledge about it is very limited; the only thing I know about it is that for sure they are not a communist movement, maybe they are a nationalist movement or indigenous movement with communist tendencies or ideals but not communist… So, are you saying, let’s gives weapons to everybody, so they can shoot themselves if they turn out to be bad or against their own system? Last time I check that was call hysteria and paranoia, plus a bit of coating of fascism on top of it all. Now here is the Cuban connection related to this topic. The Cuban revolution did exactly the same when it triumph in 1959…don’t worry Castro didn’t give weapons to the people, he took the weapons from them, but that’s another story because you are smart enough and you can figure it out why he did that…anyways he created the public trials (I have to look at the translation from Spanish to English), were anybody could be a prosecutor, accusing anybody of being part of Batista’s regime or even supporter of it. You want to know what happen. Well my friend a lot of innocent people got sent to La Cabaña Fortress where Che Guevara was appointed supreme prosecutor, so in there he didn’t care about what class you were; there was only one solution if you were sent there…you guess right, the firing squad.
Finally my friend, I am sorry to hear that the situation in Greece is like that, but as I say before “YOU AND ALL THE GREEKS HAVE THE RIGHT TOOLS WITHIN THE LAW AND WITHIN THE CONSTITUTION TO CHANGE THE COURSE OF YOUR COUNTRY FOR GOOD, A THING THAT MOST PEOPLE UNDER THE DICTATOR’S BOOT DISGUISE AS A COMMUNIST NEVER HAD AND WILL NEVER HAVE”, and I am not saying about an uprising or a revolting, because you know in most of the cases REVOLUTION = INVOLUTION… so don’t go looking for icons and images around the world that can save your country from decay and capitalist system, because that represents that you care nothing about your own country, that means that all you guys are sitting on a chair watching TV and complaining how bad and miserable your lives are, while the truth is, that there are others parts of the world that were the shit hit the roof every day and the least thing that those who live over there have to worry is about retirement, because they are so busy dealing with so much misfortune on their lives like hunger, murders, exploitation, misery, and others, created by their own governments while those on top taste the sweet honey of power.
“It’s easy to blame others for your misfortunes, but is harder to blame yourself for those misfortunes.”
“Knowledge not renewed, quickly becomes ignorance”-Peter Drucker
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I'd like to quote you on this,
"He is just another tool used by anybody who is against the capitalist system, and uses it for their own advantages; the anarchists use his image, the so called Freedom Fighters use it, the guerrillas use it, the so called Communist movement use it, hey man even musician and art people use it because they think is cool; therefore because the rest of the population “retarded and the totally uneducated” see all those examples that I wrote before using it, they go ahead and use his image without knowing what he really stands for."
-hitman047m4
Its not that people use his image to be cool or to associate themselves with a group and so forth. I (along with other people) personally admire real icons for their drive, strength, endurance, and faith. Whether or not he may have been a killer, truth is, he was a great man. What he did will echo in eternity. People like Jesus, Mahatma Ghandi, Dr. Martin Luther King and so many more can be looked at and admired for their passion which kept them motivated and never let them doubt their beliefs for one second. You should get your facts straight before you start pushing your biased opinion and false facts on other people. You have bad judgment and you can't even back up your own opinion. You agree that he was a good man, but yet say he was a bad man. I'm guessing your afraid of standing your own ground, but then again you may be trying to pacify the argument about whether or not he was a good man and I respect that. Although, that small comment that you made shows your ignorance and lack of education.
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My friend, thank you for expressing your opinion, because it is one of the most important things that I do admire and cherish. A healthy debate of political, artistic or any kind of ideas it is always welcome. This conversation or exchange of ideas that we both have right now regarding Ernesto Che Guevara or any other topic its one of the most beautiful things a free ideological country can have. Truth is that my country, Cuba, does not have that freedom, neither Che stood for such a freedom.
The freedom of expression and freedom of believing in anything except what the government tell you it is or was one of the things that Che stood against for… Let me rephrase that in case I am extremely wordy. Che was against any type of ideology or way of living that was not a Communist one… mmmmm so much for socialism/communism. I know it may sound a bit harsh or unrealistic, but I do not try to convince you or anybody else about my opinion, just like he (Che) did to an entire country along with a group of so called rebels or revolutionaries using not the pen and paper, but fear and blood (it is not my intention to sound dramatic, but it is the truth).
The whole theme about Ernesto Che Guevara is one of the topics that as a Cuban as affected me the most, due to the fact that people do not believe me when you tell them things that he stood for (such as torture, killing any political opposition or any opposition at all, etc mmmmm and I will repeat myself “Where in the socialist/communist manifest is written that”; I guess Stalin and Castro did not read the Communist manifest to truly understand what socialism and communism stands for, neither does Che).
Other important thing that has shocked me is the fact that I encountered foreigners that “know” more about my country history and politics than me. Wait, is that possible? Absolutely possible, because my knowledge about history and politics is damaged thanks to the Cuban educational system… but here is my question my friend… where those knowledgeable foreigners get their facts? From wikipedia, books, movies, or from what the Cuban government exported to the world to show how a “tiny” communist country “stood/stand” against the imperialistic forces ready at every moment to attack and destroy the freedom (which if you really understand, its all a smoke curtain). One thing that I do tell (not impose) all my foreign friends hat it is sad to realize after a certain number of years (meaning as I was growing up) that all the history that was taught at school is almost complete rubbish (especially the part where Cuba awakes and acts against “the imperialist oppression”
I am not afraid of standing on my own ground, but I will ask you… what do you really know about Che? (do not tell me that you know about him from the Hollywood blockbuster featuring Benicio del Toro as Che, because you do not sound like an ignorant person). I was hoping on people to get my sarcasm when I said this “…Yes he had great ideas, wonderful ideas, he wasn't that great, innocent or good as many people might think he was in real life”, but I guess I failed so my apologies if it was misleading. Do you second doubt yourself whether or not he was a great man, or are you implying tat you are ok with the torturing and killing of people for a higher purpose? Because these are your own words: “…Whether or not he may have been a killer, truth is, he was a great man….”
People always come to me, and I am totally used to it, when it comes to accusing those (like me) of being bias, or having my facts wrong. Just because I determined to remove the veil of ignorance from me eyes one it comes to false icons like him, that does not mean that I have my facts wrong, or I am making up stories to sound knowledgeable in front of people.
One thing my friend, there is no comparison, not even in a million years to place Che in the same place as great personalities such as Jesus, Mahatma Gandhi or Martin Luther King… he should be placed among dictators and terrorists like Stalin, Hitler, Fidel Castro, hey even Osama Bin Laden, among others.
About never doubting their beliefs, hmmmmmm I certainly cannot answer that about any other man, neither do you, especially in the case of an icon like Che. Why? Because I think one really have to be inside their body to truly grasp and understand the way a person thinks; what I am saying is one have to be that person to know and talk when it comes to doubt or ideals.
Unfortunately because idolization, one of the major human flaws “in my opinion”, he is being put, like you are doing, beside great figures, and that is one of the things that I will never, never shut my mouth for, and I wish I will be more of a politically active person or have better communication skills, to inform more about the real Che and not some false image. Unfortunately for many that know about the real Che his echo will be eternal, and I hope one day his true nature will come to the public mainstream.
Another thing and please do not take this as an attack or as an offense towards you, but who are you to tell me or anybody to get my/their facts straight about Che? Who are you to say that is me the one pushing my “bias” opinion or “wrong” facts on other people? I have the right, as you do, to defend your artwork with your opinion and what you know and discover what the government doesn’t tell you in school about a figure like Che… Show me a piece of my own words when I say that I cannot back up any of my opinion and that I have bad judgment. I will love to invite you to live in a country as a citizen of that country that Che’s hands and actions are all over the place, in every wall, school, hospital, economy, etc and nothing good came out of it.
I do hope to continue exchange more ideas with you
Cheers
Alex
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I ve never believed that Che was a Saint or something, I do not believe in superhuman icons, but I do recognize the great value of people like him in history and the necessity for 1, 2, 3, many che guevarras to exist in todays world.
And frankly I believe that this stuff that you have written here is totally bullshit, written by miserable fucked up liers.
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Nice portrait of one of the most famous Holy Cows of Twentieth Century...
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Thanks boss I am glad you like it...did you read/like the quotes?
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Yep, I've read them before (they have more impact in spanish...). Man, he was MAD.
BTW, nice avatar, I really like Hitman games. Killing polygonal people for videogame money is better than killing real people for no reason, IMO.
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yes those quotes have more impact in Spanish...hahahahahahah you got that right about killing polygonal people.
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