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"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"-- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
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Yeah and exactly how many DemocratsΒ took away guns ?Β Oh right none retard.
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First Hitler wanted gun control, then he wanted DEATH CAMPS, just like Obama. See for yourselves. [link]
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He only wanted gun control for minorities that he hated, DUH. Today we needs gun control for every civilian.
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-He only wanted gun control for minorities that he hated, DUH. Today we needs gun control for every civilian.-
Really now, every civilian? So no more security guards with guns then for the elite who can pay for them?
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Security guards, soldiers and cops are not generally known for perpetrating school shootings, nor are their children, ergo, they is an acceptable concession.
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SO now were going to make exemptions, hmmm backpedaling much? So you would have some people with guns and some without any means to defend themselves from those people with guns.
Funny, kinda sounds like what Hitler did, doesn't it.
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Except not. Hitler greatly relaxed gun laws in Germany while banning guns from Jews and other undesirables. So what hitler had was a nation of gun nuts who worshipped him and were ready to fight for him. Many of those armed Germans were killed in the Soviet invasion.
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SO your admitting that a tyrannical leader, who is loved by many, would take away guns away from people who he intends to kill....there is hope for you to see the truth yet.
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If the Jews had guns, do you think they could have beaten the Gestapo and all the might of the German military machine? It didn't do the Warsaw Jews any good, they had guns, and they were all slaughtered to a man.
And I think that the Jews loss of legal rights was far more important and devastating than the loss of their guns.
And Hitler was overwhelmingly pro-gun. He armed the vast majority of his citizens while feeding them fox news like Propaganda.
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first point- They would have at very least had a chance to defend themselves- thats a fallacious argument
second- If they had guns they could have fought for their rights, much like Black people in the south who if they had guns could have defended their rights instead of being killed without any resistance
third-Pro-gun for HIS friends that held HIS same ideals. and really Fox News propaganda? I have watched all the so called news channels including MSNBC and the now Al jesera controlled current, if anyone can be accused of "propaganda" its those two stations.
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They would have had a chance to defend themselves . . . and then were all slaughtered when the superior trained, armed and disciplined Nazis burned the whole ghetto to the ground.
Do you honestly think that guns allowed Black people to win their rights? Even if the black people in the old south had guns, they'd have been outnumbered and outgunned with the legal status of three fifths of a person.
I think you really do place too much importance on a gun and not enough on due process and the standing of the law.
Well MSNBC is moving to the right in the battle to stoop lower than fox. And as for Al Jezeera, they actually do a better job of accurate and unbiased reporting than most of the American stations,
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This guy is right. You can't complete with a military back in the 1940s, when you are just people with guns.Β
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so your saying we should put the average American citizen in the same position as the Jews of the 1930's?
-no, they would have allowed Black people to defend themselves and you again don't know your history if you think that just numbers win battles.
-Criminals don't follow laws
-MSNBC has always been lower, in ratings and in class Chris Matthews saying he was glad to see a Hurricane hit the northeast for political reasons
ans Al Jesera unable to call Bin Laden a terrorist and having Birthday parties for mass murderers. ^_^ you really are a funny person.
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You think that Obama is going to kill all the real Americans? Say it isn't so!!!!!!!! Get real, Americans today aren't in the same position as the Jews of 1930's Germany.
The racist factions in the south would have just sat back and let the armed black folk just gain their rights? I'm not seeing the logic here.
Criminals don't follow laws, so does that make you an anarchist. Do you believe that you can do whatever you want to anybody and it won't matter. Well the shooters of Aurora, Sandy Hook and Virginia tech all bought their weapons legally. Same as columbine. And to be frank, the gun show loophole is really retarded.
Chris Matthews was glad to see the hurricane hit? What is he, a Republican?
Can you prove that Al Jeezera celebrated a mass murderer's birthday party and did not call Bin Laden a terrorist? Just some more proof if you please. Pretty, pretty, please
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-I'm not Saying that at all, just referring to other times in history where this has been done.
-Laws were past by those same people to make sure African Americans could not get guns, so they could not defend themselves
-No I follow the laws, criminals by definition don't and get thrown in jail
-Chris Matthews said that on live television,go check it out on youtube [link]
Give me some time for the others
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But could the black people have defended themselves form equally armed and more numerous southern white people who generally don't like blacks and won't get charged for anything if they kill a coloured person?
But if Criminals are thrown in jail, then wouldn't laws be good when used to regulate guns, as offenders would go to jail or receive some kind of legal punishment or something? Why keep insisting that criminals don't follow laws when you yourself admit they're jailed?
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so what you are saying is hitler took away guns from he was planning to kill, and left guns with people who wanted to do the killing...
In america, they want to take guns from all american's, Keep guns in the hands of a government that was caught selling guns to the mexican mafia, and has banks funding terrorist's, and then we have legislation like the NDAA passed that allows the government to come into your house and take you away to be tortured, killed, detained indefinitely.
way to use your brain when you think. People who don't understand what they read shouldn't call others out on what they say.
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What Hitler did was arm the people loyal to him and provide himself with a loyal, militarized population who supported tyranny instead of opposed it.
Nobody in American and least of all the American government wants to take away all guns. That's a gross oversimplification of the facts. However in Modern America who really needs a weapon that can kill thirty people in half as many seconds? Is it bad that Obama's executive order has called for tighter background checks and gun regulation and doesn't actually mention anywhere about taking away your toys?
WHat you have is talking points.
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Yes they do...You obviously dont know anything about diane feinstein.
"In modern America"...I am sorry you live in the suburbs and dont see crime, but you being sheltered doesnt mean we dont need guns.
You are so ignorant about what the executive orders actually mean.
"What I have is talking points" What kind of stupid shit is that? What you have is nonsensical sheltered suburbanite "opinion"
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Well I've said this time and time again, I've never needed a gun and I'm certainly not in support of taking away all guns everywhere. I just don't feel that every moron who thinks he's John Wayne should have access to a machine that's designed specifically to murder dozens of people in seconds.
No, what you have are talking points, divorced from fact and reinforced endlessly by the echo chamber you live in.
And enlighten me, what do executive orders do?
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" I just don't feel that every moron who thinks he's John Wayne should have access to a machine that's designed specifically to murder dozens of people in seconds"
Why do you demonize all gun owners and potential murderers?
"No, what you have are talking points, divorced from fact and reinforced endlessly by the echo chamber you live in. "
You just repeated the exact same thing I said in the previous post about you being sheltered....
Executive orders further clarify already existing legislation...bang!, enlightenment!
What obama is doing with his executive orders is setting up a system that will be rampant with abuse.
Remember that free health care for everyone plan? Obamacare....
Small business's will be crushed, business's all over the country will be forced to hire less people, cut hours, or simply not hire at all.
Nothing obama does works the way its written.
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I don't demonize all gun owners, just the retarded ones who think that their guns are going to be stolen by the New World Order. I get that most gun owners are responsible people and that a majority of gun owners support reasonable gun regulation.
And I stand by you regurgitating propaganda. Tell me where and when do you use a gun in your daily life?
Alright, so Obama is further clarifying existing legislation. When you phrase it that way it hardly seems all that tyrannical. Especially since one of his executive orders was to appoint an ATF head.
Yes I remember Obamacare. It's actually expanded healthcare to thirty million Americans and is set to further improve the United States frankly abysmal healthcare system.
So far there's no proof that Obamacare will cripple small business, in fact most of his policies greatly favour and give aid to small businesses. Including tax cuts for small business and various tax credits.
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I am a "retarded" one, meanwhile you have a picture of a faggot bald headed vampire in your avatar...Highly intellectual.
You have darkwing duck, Mortal Kombat, and the faggot from supernatural in your profile.
WHAT THE HELL DO YOU KNOW
. Tell me where and when do you use a gun in your daily life?
Tell me when and where you use a television in your daily life?(Unless of course you watch TV everyday..I wouldn't be surprised if you did.)
Alright, so Obama is further clarifying existing legislation. When you phrase it that way it hardly seems all that tyrannical.
If you spent less time playing around with cartoons and reading the executive orders, and what they mean, you might see why there is room for much abuse the way the orders are written...idiot.
So far there's no proof that Obamacare will cripple small business, in fact most of his policies greatly favour and give aid to small businesses. Including tax cuts for small business and various tax credits.
You are so pathetically misinformed it's disgusting. I want to laugh, but its almost pathetic how dumb you are.
Drop the cartoons and pick up a current event, asshole if you want to have a real discussion.
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Actually it's not a vampire. It's Tom Hardy playing British prisoner Charles Bronson. you should see it some time.
Eh, I like Supernatural, Mortal Kombat and Darkwing duck. All really good stuff if you give it a chance.
Where do I watch TV? At home. Where do you use a gun?
Actually I read the exact executive orders. They appear quite benign.1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
If these things are all presidential "suggestions" they don't appear to be that sinister.
But I can't drop the cartoons, they're so much fun
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"Actually it's not a vampire"
Like I really give a shit, you dork.
Wow...you copy and pasted the executive orders.
I wonder if the copy and pasted words also show what the connotations of the orders are...
....fucking idiot.
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I thought you were asking. I'm not good with sarcasm.
Uh, interpret the orders as you wish. They won't take away your guns. BUt I'm happy that i posted them for you anyway
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I already posted them the day they came out, silly.
Your late to the party.
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-What Hitler did was arm the people loyal to him and provide himself with a loyal, militarized population who supported tyranny instead of opposed it. -
So the people who protect the President can have guns with more than 10 bullets but no one else can.
Master read up on your History and you may learn that many "dictators" have started with registration of weapons, followed by confiscation as Governor Cuomo of New York has suggested already, then they turn around and kill people that have opposed them.
And don't tell me that it could not happen here. They said the same thing in Germany, Russia and Cambodia
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How in any way does President Obama resemble Hitler? And do Obama's secret service body guards compare to the German nation of 1935 in sheer numbers? Are you suggesting that Obama have no secret service guys?
Okay, to be like Hitler, Obama would totally have to control the media. Means no more Fox news, no more right wing blogs that call him Kenyan Muslim Stalinist, Marxist, Maoist, communist fascist dictator. So far OBama hasn't done that. Also OBama has had multiple death threats against him and numerous members of the low information crowd threaten Civil war and threaten his family. So far OBama hasn't killed anyone. Unless you think that Hitler just totally chilled while people insulted and threatened him.
Also to be like Hitler, Obama would have to rig the election on behalf of corporate interests (sounds like Mitt Romney to me)
But Hitler didn't register weapons, he greatly expanded gun ownership. your argument is hollow outside your own echo chamber
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Point 1-trying to limit the gun rights of some citizens, and no just saying he is a hypocrite for having them and saying no one else can have the same.
Obama's policies actually have killed 3000 Mexicans and at least 6 Americans.
Obama has openly slammed Fox news.
and as for my "hollow arguments" just keep telling yourself that, for it will be too late for you when you finally realize you were wrong.
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Except Obama hasn't gone out to take away everyone's guns. His executive orders call for tighter background checks and increased regulation. But of course you think that's the start of tyranny instead of the Government curbing your privileges.
Wow six Americans! Totally better than the last administration. As for the three thousand Mexicans, are you sure that's because of OBama, or is it just the overall Mexican cartels at work? Who buy guns from the states due to lax gun laws in the southern states.
OBama slammed Fox news? Can you back this up for me, please. Pretty please. Because if he's slammed them once, he'll have to do it ten thousand more times to match what the Fox noise machine has said about him.
Exactly what I am going to be wrong about when it's "too late?"
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Know your history it starts with registration ALWAYS.
-I discounted wars that took down tyrants and terrorists, you really don't care how many people die in other countries do you?
-not the point, Obama and Holder gave, GAVE them guns.
-he slammed Fox in the speech he gave before he signed those executive orders you dolt, of course you probably did not notice.
And if Fox has come anywhere close to what MSNBC,ABC, NBC, CBS Political comedians like Bill Maher and John Stewart said about Bush or any other Republican.
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Ah right, so the Jews guns were registered, because under the laws of the Weirmar republic the guns totally were not registered!
Hey, and my car is registered, so the gub'mint is really out to get me because I have a registered car insurance!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually it's been debunked, no guns were intentionally given to Mexican gangsters. This has been confirmed several times outside the right wing echo chamber.
actually Bush got off light compared to OBama. Plus Bush deserved our hatred for starting two illegal wars based on a lie, [link] , instated the patriot act that monitored your emails and phone calls. He was an idiot of the highest order, he deserved all the shit that came his way. Plus nobody ever threatened the lives of his daughters, called his wife a fatass or made up lies about him nonstop
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Got off light-now I know your on drugs.
No guns intentionally given- says the same people who blammed a video for three months
-so there were not any "truthers" about 9/11-man what are you smoking
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No, no guns were intentionally given away. If you can prove it, I'd love a link of some sort proving you right.
What do 9/11 truthers have to do with any of this?
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-made up lies about him nonstop- No wonder you don't know the truth you can't even remember what you yourself are saying.
And I can't really give you proof since Obama banned anything to do with Fast and furious from being seen thanks to executive privilege. All I do know is that gun that were held by the government (marked with serial numbers) were used by Mexican drug cartels to kill more than 3000 Mexicans and two border agents.
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No I haven't been lying. I really do want a link about fast and furious.
You can't prove anything, not even one little link?
How do you know anything about fast and furious then? Where'd you hear about it, where can I hear about it because I've read some different things than you and I'd like to see where you get your facts.
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Been reading this for a while. Master you can find this crap all on the internet, just look it up dude. It took a month for me to hear anything about Benghazi watching NBC news, you really think that the news is going to mention something from two years ago?
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I want him to find it for me. He's making the claims. He needs to back them up.
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Ok, just saying this stuff is out there.
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