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ixris In reply to ??? [2010-09-18 17:43:00 +0000 UTC]

This is one of those pieces that I think scanned better than it looks irl. The puzzling of them back together was really awkward, though, because I seemed to be missing pixels or something. o_O It was annoying, but it turned out alright in the end.

And thank you.

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MissMurderFish In reply to ixris [2010-09-18 17:48:31 +0000 UTC]

o.o Glad it turned out well.

I know what you mean about the scanning better than it looks irl.
Black and white/graphite pieces do that to me too sometimes.

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ixris In reply to MissMurderFish [2010-09-18 17:58:21 +0000 UTC]

Well usually it's the opposite - irl the blacks all look pretty uniform, vs a scan which'll show EVERY. SINGLE. BRUSH STROKE. EVAR. [link] (This one) blows my mind every time I see it in my finished pieces box, but online... it's pale and watery, and not nearly so awesome as it is in person.

Darn scanners, killing my colors, even when I'm not using color! *SHAKE FIST!*

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MissMurderFish In reply to ixris [2010-09-18 21:36:21 +0000 UTC]

XD
Oh yeah. That's why I don't use markers anymore; I used to, and then I scanned one of my drawings and it looked like utter HELL. I didn't end up uploading it to DevArt, just put the file in the recycle bin and decided to give up on scanning in my older, marker-done beaches/seascape/sunset-scape things. Which look decent to me irl, but scan it in and it looks like hell. :/

Go figure.

I still like Lullaby, even with the brush-strokes somewhat visible.

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ixris In reply to MissMurderFish [2010-09-19 02:29:37 +0000 UTC]

I've seen people make /awesome/ marker things. o_o; That look like paintings or colored pencil or whatever. I don't know how they do it.

Have you considered taking photos of your work? I think part of the problem with scanning traditional media is that the light beds really tear up the strokes that you use and make it so you have to be precision-perfect in order to scan it decently - or you can doctor it in post. I guess.

I love Lullaby, like seriously a lot, for lots of reasons. It's just much much much more satisfying irl. Things to work on, I guess.

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MissMurderFish In reply to ixris [2010-09-19 22:20:37 +0000 UTC]

I usually take pictures instead of scanning, but my camera died. So, I have to scan.

I've seen some pretty wonderful marker-done stuff, and it makes me want to break mine out (once I feel like I've drawn something marker-worthy, anyway). And then I remember the scanner and I go 'AUUUUUGGH! DAMN YOU, SCANNER!' and they get put back. >.>
I can use oil pastel pretty well, though, on the 1 or 2 big pieces a year I do.

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ixris In reply to MissMurderFish [2010-09-20 00:03:45 +0000 UTC]

Oil pastel is remarkably fun. I haven't used any since elementary school, when it was for art class projects, but I remember loving the smoothness - they just kind of glided right on. It was awesome!

You should scan, then marker, then you have the lines in case of screw-up and you have practice doing your marker work - which you must like anyway, since you're itchin' to get them out. Don't stop doing what you love just because scanners are bitches. D:

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MissMurderFish In reply to ixris [2010-09-20 00:54:05 +0000 UTC]

Good idea.
Thanks!

Yeah, I just like how vivid the colors come out, as opposed to colored pencil, which look grainy and washed out most of the time, and if you get it so it's all shiny, it either turns white on the scanner, or doesn't blend well, and also warps the paper. >.< Not that it's terrible, and you can layer them and get the nice colored effect without warp or shine, but AUGH. Takes more time than the line-drawing.

And oil pastels I only have one set of currently, and it's difficult to be very precise with them, so I save them for the big pieces that don't have too many lines, or lines that are decently spread apart. Because I've colored the nice tip right off of them already. XD So, once or twice a year. Because I prefer to work smaller.

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ixris In reply to MissMurderFish [2010-09-20 11:19:18 +0000 UTC]

I'm learning how to colored-pencil. It's frustrating, because even if you layer down enough color and shading so it looks /awesome/, once you do that final coat of color to get rid of the graininess, it all goes away and you have to layer it on /again/. e_e. Thankfully I don't have to worry about it looking white in a scan. o_o; Oh dear. But yes, it /does/ take a LOT of time. But considering how much calligraphy I do.... Not really something I can hope to avoid, taking a lot of time with my craft.

Mm, that is the problem with pastels. Details are quite hard to get without working bigger. And I'm with you with the 'work smaller' bit. Any bigger than 9x12 and I don't really know what to do with myself. XD;

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MissMurderFish In reply to ixris [2010-09-21 02:13:22 +0000 UTC]

I'm trying to figure out how to work with the grainy texture in earlier layers, so that I can finish the shading and stuff and not have to go over it again. IT.TAKES.SOOOOOOOO.LONG. >.>
I've done....3 pieces that were bigger than 9x12. And I only really like 2 of them. >.< The third one started out O.K., but ended up dying. :/
It's really really hard to make things look like they do in my head. A couple of the details (Hehe, details...) on the picture and I like how ONE corner came out, but other than that it rather failed. V.v

Also, taping 11x8.5 paper together probably didn't help much...
Yes, I was that desperate for a big surface. >.< I did it twice, actually.
The first time wasn't too bad, but the second time I just failed.

Looking white (maybe it looked black, I'd have to go see again) actually only happened in one itty-bitty spot, and I have no idea why. I'm going to have to dig out the original paper-piece and check now. XD

It's not that I couldn't work with bigger than 9x12, either, it's just that it's a pain to carry around all day (One of the reasons I don't like school so much...>.>), and it's really awkward to carry around all day. XD

Well, and you kinda have to work bigger, too, or do more. But I don't mind that.

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ixris In reply to MissMurderFish [2010-09-21 21:06:12 +0000 UTC]

~__~ Yeah, I'm with you there.

Lol, taping the paper is probably a terrible idea for getting bigger pieces. XD;;; Hug for you. *HUG*

Sometimes weird colors show up if there's stuff stuck to the scanner bed *LOOK INNOCENT* What? Ink? No, I don't know how that got there.... >_>........... *WINDEX while no one is looking*

Not me. I'm really just finding my own in the 9x12 deal. Used to be I didn't have a clue what to do with a big piece of paper. It's like drowning. How can you /possibly/ use it all? You tend to draw bigger and better when you improve, though, so... I guess there's that.

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MissMurderFish In reply to ixris [2010-09-22 05:36:01 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I've gotten over the 'need to tape paper together' part. I got a...2 ft. x 1 ft pad (I think.), so I keep that at home.
Actually, my Succubus thing was done on that. But so far it's the only one. I haven't found time to do more big drawings. Though I really want to, it's so...freeing to have that much space to work with.


It /IS/ like drowning, though, if you don't know exactly what you want to do with it. Also, even if you make a rough sketch first, how the heck are you supposed to make it proportionally bigger?! D:

I lied again. I have another huge piece, done in the Georgia O'Keefe style. Big huge Lady-Slipper. ^.^ I'll have to upload a decent picture of it at some point.

I've managed to keep my scanned drawings pretty dry, so there isn't any 'Oooh, um, that wasn't me' deals later. >.<

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ixris In reply to MissMurderFish [2010-09-22 21:09:05 +0000 UTC]

I don't have a problem raising things to proportionally bigger from roughs, since I started drawing with little tiny thumbnail-sized men running around in armor. And when I finally had a drawing class that taught basic anatomy, I was kind of a step ahead because I'd always drawn these little things. Now when I have problems, I take out a post-it note and draw as many little men as will fit to illustrate the angle I want to work with. And doing that helps me a lot when I go to move it to a bigger scale.

Mmmmm. Georgia O'Keefe did some interesting things. I'd love to see your lady slipper macro!

Lol, my ink can take several /hours/ to set, or several seconds. o_o So even when it /feels/ dry, there've been times when I left big trails of black on the scanner bed. I'm the one that uses the scanner most, though, so I'm the one that finds it. XD;;;;;; The hard way.

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MissMurderFish In reply to ixris [2010-09-23 16:26:48 +0000 UTC]

I've had issues with basic anatomy; in fact most of my sketches are of girls with over-sized racks. >.<

I can start big, or start small. But I can only go from bigger to smaller, rather than the other way around. For whatever reason.

I'll have to drag the photo file out from the jungle of my old computer once I find a power-cord that'll fit it. >.< Or maybe I can go searching and find a link for you in my gallery already.

O.o Ouch. Yeah, if I use marker, I hold it at an angle to the light and if I can still see a shiny place anywhere, or a spot that looks more...I dunno, more...recent, or new, then I let the piece air out some more.

I rarely use pen to do drawings, mostly because I can't erase mistakes.

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ixris In reply to MissMurderFish [2010-09-23 17:32:31 +0000 UTC]

Oh, anatomy. >_> I hate anatomy. XD But everything looks better when it's in proportion. D: So...... yeah.

Some of my ink is permanent/waterproof ink, so that trick wouldn't work, since the chemicals that make it waterproof sometimes give it a shine. And my non-waterproof ink will be matte to the light, and it'll still leave spots on my fingers if I touch it....sooooo.... XD;;;;;

I'm also /massively/ impatient, and will finish a piece at like eleven-thirty, and if I don't scan it before I go to bed, I won't /want/ to scan it in the morning/afternoon/anytimeinthefuture. ;;;

I don't use pen, either, for sketches and stuff. But I do love using my calligraphy sets for finishing. I'm getting into painting, too, though.

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MissMurderFish In reply to ixris [2010-09-23 17:44:32 +0000 UTC]

It does look better when in proportion, it's true. I just hate that it takes so much damn work to get it there in the first place. >.<

Ah. Well, have fun with that...XD

I am inpatient sometimes, but I can scan things later, especially if I finish them late at night. Usually I scan and upload a bunch of things all at once, mostly because scanning one thing eats up more time than you would believe. It's easier to just do a whole bunch at once so I don't have to keep re-starting the process.

Once have I used pen for an entire sketch, no pencil frame or anything. And it started out as just a doodle. Which is probably why it worked. >.<

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ixris In reply to MissMurderFish [2010-09-23 21:28:52 +0000 UTC]

The good news is that once you get the hang of proportions, it comes pretty naturally. Keep practicing!

Yeah, scanning's the same matter of a pain in the neck whether I do one piece or twenty, and yes, you can always do it tomorrow, but I'm a forgetful person.

Mmmm. Pen sketches are /awesome/. I love people who can do them. D: I am so jealous of them.

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MissMurderFish In reply to ixris [2010-09-23 23:11:55 +0000 UTC]

YAY!

I can only do pen-sketches when I have nothing except for a pen, otherwise I'll switch to pencil out of habit. And the ones I /do/ manage to do with pen are just short doodles, and I can rarely duplicate them, even with pencil. >.<

That's why I do mine in batches, 'cause I forget. Except on special occasions, like for Okamichu's contest, or whatnot.
Also, sometimes I end up having two or three sketches going at a time, so they get finished close together. XD

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ixris In reply to MissMurderFish [2010-09-24 11:14:51 +0000 UTC]

Mmm, I can't draw multiple things at a time. D: I have to do them one at a time, or do a sketch and let it sit around for a while and then come back later to it. But, well, I sketch fast, so it's usually only 20 minutes before I'm done with it. I usually /usually/ know what I want to draw when I sit down to do it. And when I move to inking, I like to focus on just one thing at a time. That way I don't get confused with lighting or angles or colors or... anything like that.

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MissMurderFish In reply to ixris [2010-09-24 20:58:59 +0000 UTC]

Yeah. Usually when I'm doing a purely graphite sketch, I can only do one at a time. But if I intend on coloring the sketch later, I can work on one piece, and then if I get bored I can move onto a different one. I don't know why my brain lets me do that, but it can come in handy. ^.^

I can sometimes sketch pretty quickly, if I know what I want and am able to draw it sufficiently. Otherwise I get stuck. D:
Trying to find the right skin color is irritating. Because I know what my skin color is, but I can't figure out how to get that onto paper sufficiently.

Lately I've ended up doing a VERY light pink layer, then going over that a bit darker with this nifty sand color I found.

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ixris In reply to MissMurderFish [2010-09-24 21:06:34 +0000 UTC]

That is weird. o_O Maybe your brain is like "I'M NOT FINISHED WITH THIS I WILL WORK ON IT LATER AND BRING MY EPICNESS!" or something? IDK.

The funny thing with skin tones. D: /no one's/ skin is the color the colorpeople tell us they are. "Pale flesh" is actually "exsanguinated dead guy" and "peach" is like "somethinglikepinkandorangeatthesametimelolidon'tevenwhyyouaskinme?"

D: I hate color-makers.

(also my eyes. I have terrible color perception. D: )

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MissMurderFish In reply to ixris [2010-09-24 21:14:19 +0000 UTC]

My brain does that. It's kinda funny. And nice, because if I stare at a piece for too long I stop seeing what I need to do or I start over-doing things. >.<

So, yeah. 'I'm not finished with this, I'll work on it later'. XD

I /hatehatehate/ trying to color skin. But I can't leave it white because that looks like they've died and come back to life or something. DX
And then peach isn't right either. And it's terrible. But I've currently found a color combination that I'm happy with. ^.^ For now.

I don't know how my color perception is. D:

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ixris In reply to MissMurderFish [2010-09-24 21:18:17 +0000 UTC]

That is an awesome skill to have. Sometimes I have it, usually I don't. ; Except in my painting, when I need to have it, because NOTHING DRIES FAST ENOUGH. D:

Skin, I guess, is just a lot of different colors smashed together. D:

I live with an artist who's got epic!color perception ( *unyko ). I'll tell her "Gee, Uny, I really like the blue you used for that. " And she is very "... ... ... That's purple. >_>" And then it's "I like this red. " to which she must reply "....... That's /orange/. D: " I'll frequently bother her to ask her if one strip of red is the same as this other strip of red, and where they look identical to me, she swears up and down that they're very very different. :\ And I've had this confirmed with many other friends. ;; Black and white are the colors for me! !

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MissMurderFish In reply to ixris [2010-09-24 21:25:09 +0000 UTC]

XD Yeah, painting is like 'OMGFREAKINGDRYALREADY' for me too.

I guess so.

Aw that sucks. D: At least you have black and white!
I'm ok with colors, I can at least tell the difference but I have trouble deciding if they really match or if it's just me and my 'doesn't have to match all that much' brain going 'hey lets do that'. >.<

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ixris In reply to MissMurderFish [2010-09-24 21:29:33 +0000 UTC]

Lol, with my inks, everything is darker until it dries, so I literally /have/ to stop in order for it to turn out awesome. Last night, I was working on a piece, and the border I added looked /so dark/, and I knew the wash hadn't been that bad, so I was worried. This morning, with the drying, it's totally awesome. I have to trust myself a lot with my inkpainting. :\

I love grayscale. And sepiatones, but totally grayscale.

Lol, I just shove colors together and /tell/ people they look great. X3 Throughout the winter, I am the horror of my workplace because I will literally wear a rainbow to school - red shirt, skyblue longsleeves, olive green pants, yellow socks, purple scarf, orange socks, black gloves, brown sandals - if that's the way my laundry cycled. XD;;;;;;; And just go about my day, raping peoples' eyes very happily. X3

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MissMurderFish In reply to ixris [2010-09-24 21:40:34 +0000 UTC]

Hey, nothing wrong with rainbow!
I wish people would stop with the 'you have to wear this and only this' stuff, it's boring and icky.


Oooh, I look forward to seeing the piece!
Grayscale is fun. It makes shading easy.

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ixris In reply to MissMurderFish [2010-09-24 21:44:39 +0000 UTC]

Lol, especially in childcare!

I hope you like it. It's for you, after all. D: I'm playing, still, so it'll take a while. Hopefully I'll have it finished before the weekend is over.

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MissMurderFish In reply to ixris [2010-09-24 21:50:17 +0000 UTC]

Hehe. Yep! I always liked the colorful clothes when I was younger.
Well, at least socks. Never wore a matching pair. Still haven't, except for a brief stint at a private high school that had a uniform. >.<

Oh! XD I bet I will. No pressure. I have a busy weekend ahead of me, so if it takes a little longer that is O.K.

Eek, school starts on Monday! D:

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ixris In reply to MissMurderFish [2010-09-24 21:53:26 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I always wore what I was told to wear. XD Being allowed to wear whatever I want because I'm now a grown-up is /awesome/!

'Kay!

D: You start school really late.

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MissMurderFish In reply to ixris [2010-09-24 21:55:32 +0000 UTC]

It is nice. My parents used to tell me what to wear, but nowadays they don't. It's rather nice of them.

Hehe.

1. I'm doing this fancy thing called Running Start where my highschool district pays for my tuition at a community college.

2. The community college I'm at is on a quarter system. >.<

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ixris In reply to MissMurderFish [2010-09-24 22:22:34 +0000 UTC]

Wow, that's awesome (the Running Start thing)! The best we had when I was in school was paying for our own cc credits or taking AP classes. >_>;;

Also, most Community Colleges I've seen are on quarter systems.

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MissMurderFish In reply to ixris [2010-09-24 22:43:12 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, it is...I'm on-track to graduate HS with an AA. ^.^
Ouch. I feel for you. To be honest, I couldn't stand one more year at my high school because everything was all, 'if you're the dumbest in the class you'll get an A', and every teacher was like, 'I'm going to walk you through this using baby steps'. Except for the math teachers. XD There aren't any baby steps in math.
Also you get 6 hours of hw a night. >.<

At the Community College I'm at, it's all grown-up steps and 'Woohoo, we're all smart so lets do this right'.

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ixris In reply to MissMurderFish [2010-09-24 23:34:17 +0000 UTC]

Lol, sounds like a good choice, then.

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MissMurderFish In reply to ixris [2010-09-25 00:37:37 +0000 UTC]

Yes.
And I seem to have infected my younger brother and a bunch of his friends with this choice too, they've all been 'oh god, only have to suffer through 1 more year at hs and then I'm going to do running start!'. XD

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ixris In reply to MissMurderFish [2010-09-25 01:35:56 +0000 UTC]

YAY! Spread the higher education! X3

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MissMurderFish In reply to ixris [2010-09-25 03:29:58 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I know.

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ixris In reply to Ramesses217 [2010-07-06 17:57:56 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for taking the time to comment.

And thank you for your feedback. ^__^ I really enjoyed figuring this piece out and actually making it work. So I'm glad to hear you like it.

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Ramesses217 In reply to ixris [2010-07-07 02:24:00 +0000 UTC]

No prob.
Would you have any suggestions for how I can improve my drawings?

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ixris In reply to Ramesses217 [2010-07-07 03:02:21 +0000 UTC]

Lol, that's such a general question. XD;; So I'm going to give you a very general answer.

Just at a glance through your gallery, I can offer you a few pointers in general, but if you have like a specific piece in mind, I would be happy to offer you a more thought-out and detailed critique of what works/doesn't work so well/etc. I feel very much like I learn more and more about art by deciding what I feel is a piece's strengths or weaknesses and offering constructive feedback to an artist. (Plus it's a great way to pick an artist's brain and maybe make a new friend. )

*ahem* Tangent. Sorry. ;

In general, I'd suggest taking the time to study the anatomy of real people and objects. Having your own style to work with is great, whether it's derived more from realism or from comics (American, manga, Belgian, whatever) or from something else entirely (lol. cubism? scribbly lines? super-abstract? XD; The list is almost endless). We as artists are trying in one way or another to imitate life, and we learn this best by observing life.

Take the time to hone this aspect of your craft. Reference poses online or snap photos of friends and family members and use them as references, or just sit in a park one day and people watch. Speed-sketch anatomy of people walking by or whatever.

Also, this may sound a little crazy, but try experimenting with another style. How would these people be shaped if you were to draw them in the style of your favorite cartoon or video game? It's hard at first, but sometimes your hand and your head and even your creativity get stuck, and you need to break through that wall. You can learn so much about your own style by temporarily stealing someone else's. You notice details, pick up things you like and discard things you don't like. Make the style your own, or try something new again if you didn't enjoy it.

Also. Don't be afraid to be suddenly 'bad' or to 'suck' for a while. You're going to be doing something essentially brand-new. Remember, it's hard to get /worse/ at something by doing it a lot. XD;

There's more (there always is, lol), but start there. Knowledge and understanding of a body or object in the real world and a keen willingness to experiment are extraordinarily useful skills to develop as an artist. Take chances, take risks, do something you wouldn't do ordinarily.

And seriously, I love doing actual!critiques, so if you have a piece or two you'd want me to look over and nit-pick for you, please send me a link to it. I've been of a mind to want to do an honest-to-god critique, but sometimes I just need a keen kick in the rear, like someone actually!asking for it. XD;

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Ramesses217 In reply to ixris [2010-07-08 00:12:11 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for the advice.

Would you critique these two?
[link]
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ixris In reply to Ramesses217 [2010-07-10 15:01:32 +0000 UTC]

Done!

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ixris In reply to Melanthriel [2010-06-22 22:13:45 +0000 UTC]

^__^ Thanks. I'm rather fond of it.

They're very silly men and a source of great many LULZ.

It's nice going back to working in rectangles, though. D: Circles are too much trouble keeping the lines the right thickness.

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Melanthriel In reply to ixris [2010-06-23 22:38:46 +0000 UTC]

That's great! ^^

Hahaha, awesome. XD

I have to agree on that! X_X Circles hate me... >.>

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ixris In reply to Suntherian [2010-06-20 00:58:46 +0000 UTC]

I love doing dialogue for the two of them. They're cultural folk-heroes in their story-line, and I like making fun of them. Because that's the kind of person I am. I would love to hear someone insert that in daily dialogue. That'd be awesome! XD

I'm having fun doing the themes. I'm trying to challenge myself to do things I'm not comfortable with, or that I wouldn't ordinarily do. Because it's kind of supposed to be a learning experience, how I read it, and you don't learn unless you try weird and different things.

Thanks so much! ! Good luck to you, too, when you start the list!

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ixris In reply to Okamichu [2010-06-20 00:56:19 +0000 UTC]

Well, I traced a ridiculously big bowl with my calligraphy pens, set up the split down the middle, sketched it out (took some deciding on the pose I wanted. I wanted Eliar's bow, but it so wasn't happening....), and then proceeded to outline them and fill one and ink around the other. I was using my pens for a lot of it, and then it wasn't filling dark enough, so I used my paintbrush that's now dedicated to slathering itself through india ink. Went over everything like... four times. D: Dried it, erased the sketch lines. Scanned, puzzled together. And then I doctored the stray splatter out with a simple "ERASE" button over in GIMP (which I hardly ever do. >_>; ). ; I really like how it turned out, too. Not how I pictured it in my head, but far less complicated, imo (was going to have full-body shots. D: I need to seek professional help).

I really enjoy how bold it turned out. It's a sharp, stark contrast, which I think is the 'deep' you're going with here. It was awkward not drawing their faces (I always draw faces! D: ), not even in the sketches, but it was fun, if a little tiny bit headachy. ;

Thanks so much for the awesome comment!

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Okamichu In reply to ixris [2010-06-20 03:11:04 +0000 UTC]

That is....that just sounds hard. You did really well, and I can see all of the effort you put into it! It's really really great I can't do anything with paintbrushes (most of the time it ends with me in hysterics and covered in the color I was using) but you did great I love how dark it is, and how very clean the lines are. Very sharp

It is hard to do silhouettes, but you got it great! My picture for the theme 'light' (awful, btw) was my first attempt at drawing without faces. Very frustrating.

Of course

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