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Mer-Jay SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE???
I caught myself wondering the other minute whether or not Jayrunner is a Mary Sue. I mean, she kind of does have everything handed to her without really earning it, and seems to be good at a lot of things. But there are a few things that, I think, make her perhaps not completely one. First, it's established that she is (was) a highly ranked, trained soldier of the Lemur military, which is why she's good at fighting and running and piloting and whatnot. And unlike a typical Mary Sue, she has indeed faced huge amounts of loss and failure in her life; being banished for insubordination, losing her best friend, homeland and almost entire race. Also, Mary sue's typically don't have a driving force, rather just acting because it is the generic 'right thing to do.' Jayrunner is acting right now in order to save the world from the person who is likely to visit on other races the same afflictions he has put on her own.
I try to make all my characters fairly three-dimensional, with barely any of them being strictly good or bad guys, just opposing forces. After all, everyone is the hero of their own story.
Johan was totally a Gary Stu though.
And without showing the strings of the story tooooo much... this is the reason why Brushfire got that injury, because there was no other reason why she WOULDN'T jump in the pylon too and make the fight fairly uneven ^^' Also it's no coincidence that Jayrunner just HAPPENS to be a lemur and the shroud pylons just HAPPENED to be made by primates... but I digress.
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I could see real martial arts in their style she's using.
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I actually can see a little bit of martial arts in her style especially the iron fortress with the hands. At the very least it looks like it.
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This feels kinda Gurren Lagann, in a good way. Fight with huge robots slowly going down and resolving with a fist fight.
I like.
Also, why does the 'why' they do something make you a marysue,i thought it was merely the 'what'?
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No, the 'why' is just as important. They tend to not have any specific goal based on past experiences, wants or needs. They just go with the flow being awesome all the way. (kinda like Rey or Korra)
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Eh, Mary Sue is more about warping reality to their liking. Strength and skill and whatnot are just side-effects to Mary Sues. Being just plain overpowered is just being overpowered, and that's not a bad thing. Saitama demonstrates that.
And I don't think Jayrunner is particularly overpowered, either.
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That's true. Good to know.
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Schrol is probably the Mary Sue of Mary Sues.
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Villains can't be Mary Sues... unless it's deliberately done so for comedic effect, which also, by definition, makes it a parody of a Mary Sue and not really one.
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Oh how I wish I could see this as an anime. What a fight this would be. What all of these would be!
I don't see Jayrunner as a Mary Sue, just lucky and well, very well-prepared. The hardships and losses she's faced throughout her life actually justify her skills. I'm sure the Human tech like the Neural Flare only improve them significantly. She and Schorl are pretty much super soldiers at this point, so I think a bit of lee-way is allowable.
Mary Sues suffer from amazing luck and skill with minimal effort. They are the center of the universe, with everything literally revolving around them -- Even the plot development of other characters. Everything just goes their way, even when struck with singular moments of bad luck attempting to hide their being a Mary Sue, then quickly and easily resolved. As a result, they often end up with a superiority complex, or feature an inferiority complex while still excelling. (Oh I've been picked on my entire life, yet I am super popular for no reason at my new school, etc. And now I'm valedictorian even though I'm bad at math. Teehee.)
Trust me. Jayrunner earned this.
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Thank you so much for that ^^
And yeah, reading these comments, the more I think I missed the most important part of what makes a Mary Sue.
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Sorry, but we can't lose you yet Brushfire, we need as many kangaroos alive as possible. Lemur vs. rat, who will win? Place your bets everyone!
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Well, most kangaroos are still alive back in Australia, only about thirty of them were killed in this offensive ^^
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That's still 30 too many! XD
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Yeah, it makes total sense given her background that she can fight well and pilot mechs. In fact, when I was reading this page (before I read your comment) I was thinking about how her background as a soldier makes her well-suited for the fighting going on here. Don't worry about it.
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FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!XD
And Jayrunner is far from a Mary sue, so don't worry about it. Evven if she wasn't a bodacious babe from Coolsville, we'd still sympathize with her since she fought so hard and couldn't stop her race from nearly being wiped off the face of the Earth. This here is poetic justice. No one has more right to kill Schorl, no greater need for vengeance. And it's not a selfish vengeance either, but something that will save the world from a murdering tyrant who would even throw his own entire race under the bus to save himself. If the submission signal hadn't worked on Brianna, over half the population of the entire world would be dead right now. A guy that crazy, self-loving, and heartless NEEDS to be taken down, and who better than one who has already faced the horrors of his reign. Queen Brushfire already got to kill the rat who nearly destroyed her country, so Jayrunner gets to kill the rat who DID destroy hers. It's only fair.
And you just had to open your mouth about the Phylon being a PRIMATE structure, as I hadn't yet thought about Jayrunner accessing the stuff. I guess we have some long awaited Lemur lore about why they were the last primates left behind when all the others linked up to their Final Version. It couldn't have been an Adverse situation, since Madagascar was hidden by the Shroud until it was compromised, and Lemurs were sealed under ground. The Primates MUST have had a plan, either to protect themselves, or preserve some of primate kind.
Methinks Jayrunner will have a much easier time using the Primate tech than the human stuff. She might not even have to learn fancy words or certain ways of thinking, since this stuff is more tuned to her. Especially since we saw that the Shroud was used by MANY different types of primates.
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Also, the lemur race was locked away at the same time that the shroud was built, so she wouldn't even need to deal with a language barrier, as there would have been no dialect creep. But we can't let the shroud have all the fun.
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Hmm, so would all of the primates have talked and thought like Lemurs then? I was about to say she speaks and understands modern animal really well, before remembering that I'm just fluent in Mondo. Still, other animals are able to understand them pretty well with little difficulty, so I guess it was mainly dialect creep compared to Lemurs of old.
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As with Bray, because animals are attuned to facial and body language, there isn't too much of an obstacle. Also, it has been forty years since lemurs popped up, so they've had some time to learn.
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Yeah, I was gonna ask about that. It seemed like all of the Lemurs shown so far have spoken Rat Common, even the civies and children that we've seen. Has Rat Common just taken over that much that it's now(or was, RIP) the new primary language of the Lems? I mean, I can see why you wouldn't have hinted at that so early on, but it got me thinking. Are all Lemur bilingual, or was that just a product of us only seeing the capital? I'd imagine that it would be a center of trade and tourists, so Rat Common would have to be spoken primarily to live and do business effectively there. Those kids might have even only spoken Rat Common, as a side effect of modernization.
That, or you secretly switched from Primate to Rat Common between the panels as everything is translated into the reader's language.
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If I switched like that, I should have used parentheses to make it more obvious what was going on ^^ But that wouldn't explain why Jetflash, Zipster and the rest can talk reasonably fluent 'rat common.' I'll go with the modernisation idea, since it's been several generations since the lemurs first emerged. Although their commerce would probably have been restricted to the southern hemisphere.
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So I guess Jayrunner and Hookturn were just originally from the boonies where only Primate was spoken then. That, or military training has the recruits learn Primate as a primary language so they can use old Lemur tech and access the archives. Also, how long do Lemurs live? if they have a longer lifespan than other creatures, then that might explain why the older generation still had Primate as their primary language, but the younger generation were learning Rat Common first. That, and it seems like Lemurs were only recently really branching out to other parts of the world if they didn't have colonies and settlements in other places, and Clover was their first run in with the rats.
I feel like I'm poking more holes in this than a bottom draining watering can.XD
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Lemurs live around 20 years, so a lot longer than other races. Although kangaroos also live a decent amount of time.
Honestly, I haven't really thought about the specifics. XD But lemurs would have had a fair bit of interaction with Australia and Southern America, so I suppose they learned rat common that way, or at least had it as an elective in school CX
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Luckily, you have people like me to overthink things for you, to defend against questions most people wouldn't think to ask or see the holes in.
Still begs the question of how they hadn't run into the rats then. Maybe the rats placed genetic barriers at the borders to prevent unknown species from entering and non-rats from leaving. They wouldn't have wanted savages from busting in or their 'friends' from turning savage from walking outside. Or maybe the Lemurs were like most species and saw the big black sky of death and just said 'NOPE!'XD
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Could be any of those reasons ^^
But a climate one is probably it.
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Blame it on climate change, that always works.XD
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Al Gore would be proud.
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Climate change and ManBearPig.XD
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Half man, half bearpig.
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G’wan Jayrunner! Kick his ass!
Johan was a loonie, that’s what made him fun. If anyone’s a Mary/Gary round here, i’d say it was Schorl. But he’s a loonie too. So is all good.
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Yeah, he has some pretty crippling character flaws though, and ultimately, nothing works out the way he wants it to. Well, yet anyway.
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In comparison to a certain Jedi I won't mention *cough* raygunz *cough* Jayrunner is far from a Mary Sue. She has measurable, demonstrated talent and backstory to boot. Not to mention she wouldn't be able to fight Schorl without an augmented body so he'd have more than likely shattered her forearm if she'd blocked him as a baseline Leems. As far as Johan goes... urgh, I will happily admit I was hoping that asshat would end up dead. Struggling against "fate" and the will of adversaries is what makes any culture great, if anything he should have stepped aside and allowed history to unfold without his interference.
For all he knew, somebody would've succeeded in killing the "force entity" that powers life by draining it and thus ensuring a species could self-perpetuate without interference? Who knows!? He was eccentric as a scientist, kind of likeable for that too. But utterly despicable as an awakened <.< like, I hoped the humies there would just flatten his stupid ass! XD. But back to point!
You've done a good job deepening and 3D story-printing out the characters. Schorl is a good example of immortality fucking with your identity and behavior, he essentially went nutso since I'm willing to bet the "intellectual augmentation" he received was flawed, and it broke him. I kinda would've preferred a certain old-ass-lab-rat having a more extended head-crushing scene
So don't you fret! We're all here fans of this laser-laden pewpew fest you've amassed before us and we're not going anywhere yet! I admit though, Schorl's random "meme faces" when he gets genuinely peeved are absolutely hilarious! xD.
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Thanks for the involved comment there ^__^
Maybe somebody could have killed the force entity if they were fast enough, since it is always playing catch-up with what it knows. Life would need to be created on a gigantic scale though.
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CLONING VATS! ... That or Bunnies <.< all hail the fluffbutt empire... and you are welcome! 
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He will, in the very next non-nuzlocke I do ^^
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You're talking about Steele right?
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I guess they have their place ^^
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Mary Sue Litmus tests are bullshit. In the grand scheme of things, you should be able to make a character as interesting as you feel it to be, and I think Jayrunner is a very interesting character. She's not in the center as most other characters as well, so it helps a bit.
Honestly, the Mary Sue concept has pretty much died out. We should be free to write however we want, as long as it's in the binds of our own universes and makes sense there. She'd be a mary sue if she does something completely off the rockers of your own narrative.
It's never about what the character can and cannot do, and more about writing. Honestly, we should rename "Mary Sue" as "Poorly Written Character in the Narrative."
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They're more useful for works of fanfiction than original fiction, but they can make one think and remove extra fluff for a character that doesn't need it.
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Yeah I looked at one test, and it was indeed weird. It seems the concept of 'Mary Sue' varies from person to person.
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Wish there was a way to favorite your message.
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Same here. I think you can feature comments but that's not for commenters. :/
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