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kingjakmar In reply to EnderKnight1 [2022-06-14 02:28:53 +0000 UTC]

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EuclideanMan In reply to TherealLevelZ [2017-10-31 18:32:07 +0000 UTC]

Is this image available in bigger version?

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ikkyozzy In reply to CountObvious [2016-11-19 19:18:16 +0000 UTC]

Someone finally gets it

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Yojimbo1989 In reply to CountObvious [2016-09-03 12:21:55 +0000 UTC]

True, true. Goku would probably ask for a friendly sparring match though (they could probably learn a lot from each other)

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LegendaryBlade In reply to Yojimbo1989 [2016-11-26 22:09:55 +0000 UTC]

It must be really hard to maintain this level of salt for this long.

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Yojimbo1989 In reply to LegendaryBlade [2016-12-04 19:47:11 +0000 UTC]

Nope, it's actually pretty easy when reading the comments of Superman wankers/DBZ haters and Death Battle tards

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Karma-Beetle In reply to renz5070 [2016-08-01 20:04:34 +0000 UTC]

Adult hero? They both seemed aimed at children to me.

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Yojimbo1989 In reply to DW13-COMICS [2016-05-01 12:00:49 +0000 UTC]

Seriously, with the two most recent episodes of Dragon Ball Super, this isn't even a contest anymore. And to think we haven't gotten to the end of Dragon Ball Super yet

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DW13-COMICS In reply to Yojimbo1989 [2016-05-02 04:47:23 +0000 UTC]

i.imgur.com/c416EXF.png
pm1.narvii.com/5918/00b0652a8d…
www.reddit.com/r/respectthread…

You're right. It isn't a contest anymore.

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Yojimbo1989 In reply to DW13-COMICS [2016-05-02 10:25:11 +0000 UTC]

Unfortunately most of Superman's most impressive feats are either A) Greatly overshadowed by the number of times he's struggled or lost against lesser opponents or B) taken completely out of context

Plus if were going down the route of Superman defeated this guy and that guy then unfortunately that's not a valid feat since every comic character has had countless writers over the years, each one has there own interpretation of a character's abilities. As a result of this, consistency is largely overlooked and plot convenience and personal preference decides the outcome. Just because a certain character displays a certain extreme degree of power in one instance doesn't imply that they will remotely possess the same scale of power in another, and that we can automatically scale another character from the higher end feat.

To illustrate, Marvel's executive editor Tom Brevoort, who is also in charge of writing the official handbooks for the company, and is likely the highest current authority regarding the company's internal continuity and power levels, had this to say regarding the topic

brevoortformspring.tumblr.com/…

brevoortformspring.tumblr.com/…

And according to Stan Lee, whoever wins in a fight between characters depends simply on who the writers like best or who the writer wants to win

www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHfJ_N…

www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4_zFY…

In the second post it claims that Superman has beaten Gods/Multi-versal cosmic entities before, whereas Goku struggles with people at his own level. Unfortunately what most people realise is that the same is true of Superman. Everytime he faces someone at that level he rarely does so on his own without massive amounts of outside help as well. 

On average Post-Crisis Superman fluctuates between planetary to stellar class level to Solar System level at his best.

As for everything that Superman has done Goku has done just as good if not better

Next?

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DW13-COMICS In reply to Yojimbo1989 [2016-05-03 06:25:54 +0000 UTC]

Er, those Brevoort links made no sense. The first one dealt with 5th dementional/Marvel beings, which Superman has outwitted & beaten numerous times, even stopping THOR's hammer coming down at him at full force:
qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-…
The 2nd is lame & doesn’t answer anything on the subject, and Supes has battled interdementional/galactic beings more powerful than him & even he came out on top.

Stan Lee asks: Who’s stronger, HULK or THOR?
BAH! Superman has kicked the shit outta both of them. static.comicvine.com/uploads/o… & s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/7…
If SSBlueGoku has ever been able to withstand a devastating blow like that, I’m all ears.
The same goes to what he stated on the 2nd one, which I’ve linked to others numerous times, save only for a select few, including the majority of many Batman vs. Superman battles that has come out in the past 30+ years.

Yes, that is true, but compared to those that Goku faced in the DBZ Universe? Freiza? Broly? Perfect Cell? Android Fucking 17?
Supes has went one-on-one with those that don’t even compare in the DBZ Universe because they wouldn’t belong in there in the first place. Mongul, for example wouldn’t belong in DBZ cuz he’s powerful enough to obliterate anything he wanted if he desired to.

“As for everything that Superman has done Goku has done just as good if not better.”
Like how? Explain in greater depth of detail, please? Because from where I’m standing, it was YOU that stated that Superman fought with godly beings that hardly exist in the DBZ Universe at all. Goku struggles with his battles with enemies who were hardly galactic, whereas Superman has managed to whup almost anyone that was near his level. If Superman would struggle or hold out longer with a godly being, then just how long would Goku last in such a NON-INVULNERABLE body that he possesses?
Including someone like say, THESE TWO---> imgur.com/a/5plLw

Your move…

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Yojimbo1989 In reply to DW13-COMICS [2016-06-24 22:02:40 +0000 UTC]

No, no, no, Superman has not beaten 5 dimensional beings multiple times before he is more often than not shown to be around Planetary to solar system range. The number of times he's lost to 5-D or weaker beings far outweighs the number of times he's beaten them, for every victory against Dominus or Soul Fire Darkseid there are 10 losses to the likes of Trigon, Nekron or Doomsday. 

And as I already said it just means that the writers were fans of Superman and they wanted him to win. And yes Goku has withstood far worse than that, which I'll get to in a minute.

"Mongul is powerful enough to eliminate anything he wants to", this is what is called a No-limits-fallacy, do you honestly think that Mongul would be able to erase The Primal Monitor or The-One-Above-All from Marvel?

Alright, then I will do a side-by-side comparison of feats and stats to show who wins, excluding major PIS/outliers

First we'll start with the strength stat

Superman

For strength Superman has, moved the Earth, bench-pressed the weight of the Earth for 5 days whilst only shedding a single drop of sweat in the process.

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4235517

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/LexFiles/SupermanBenchPress.jpg

He's destroyed multiple planets,

http://imgur.com/a/34wer#0

This is further backed up by statements made by the Man of Steel

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4235144

His infinite mass punch is also said to hit with the force of a white dwarf star

https://web.archive.org/web/20150815111724/http://www.screwattack.com/news/supermans-infinite-mass-punch-how-powerfull

His heat vision is also around star level in terms of power

He split Saturn's largest moon in half

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4235136

Punched Wonder Woman from the Sun to Earth at FTL speeds whilst possessed by Maxwell Lord.

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-4235140

However his two best feats that are consistent with the various other Superman stories that are written are as follows

The first is when Superman moved the Mageddon gears, which would have required Large Star levels of strength and power

http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/superman-and-mageddon-feats.18097/

And when he threw a small sun and miniature solar system that was rapidly getting bigger

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11120/111200299/4462819-wp8xqfr.jpg

In summary Superman has power ranging from the Large planet to solar system level range

Goku

For power Goku has matched Vegeta's Garlic Gun (not Galik the original translation was Garlic), which had enough power to destroy the Earth.

http://mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/v20/c037/2.html

http://mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/v20/c037/3.html

http://mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/v20/c037/4.html

http://mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/v20/c037/5.html

http://mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/v20/c037/6.html

http://mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/v20/c037/13.html

Goku include beating Nappa with two blows after using the Kaio-Ken, Nappa who took on the combined forces of the Z-fighters including Piccolo, who had enough power to destroy the Moon, a feat that would have required small planet levels of power.

Goku punched through King Kai's planet, which was a planet with 10 times Earth's gravity and with a radius of only 30m. The density of such an object would be comparable to a white dwarf star.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_gravity

We see that the formula relating surface gravity to density is (4*pi/3)*G* density * radius. The surface gravity is 98, G is 6.67x10^{-11} and r is 30m. Plugging in all the numbers you get 1.169e9 kg m^{-3}. The range of densities for a white dwarf star is 10^{7}-10^{11} kg m^{-3}

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_dw…

Goku shook the entire Earth just by powering up to SSJ3 for the first time and his power was so immense that it could be felt in the Kaio-shin realm (see the scan below to see just how impressive a feat that was)

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/1/1f/Ssss_%281%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20160424230213

Effortlessly manhandled Frieza even at full power, who even in his weakest form destroyed Planet Vegeta with just one finger without breaking a sweat, a feat that would have required dwarf star levels of power

http://www.t5forums.com/forum/the-vs-sections/general-discussion/calcs/174024-dragon-ball-super-calc-frieza-destroys-planet-vegeta

Given that Frieza's power increases exponentially with each form and that he was only fighting with 1% of his Final form's full power initially then this firmly puts Frieza at Star busting levels and Goku was capable of manhandling Frieza at full power as a Super Saiyan then this makes SSJ Goku above Stellar class.

Goku is also more powerful than both SSJ2 Gohan and Super Perfect Cell who have been shown as being solar system level. And I know what you're going to say: it's a hyperbole, it's not. As mentioned beforehand, Frieza and SSJ Goku were stellar class and above. With such a big increase in power SS level is more than feasible. Also this claim is supported by various guidebooks.

First we have the anime comics guide

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/2/27/2f585579-44e1-4467-a023-dbb516c94045.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160424023650

Now one thing people can argue is that

1. This guidebook is affiliated with Daizenshuu, which has Boo as a corebuster

2. Daizenshuu is inconsistent

3. This guidebook overall is not reliable

These are all valid points, but wait there is also the main guidebook of the manga that was made by Akira Toriyama's own studio, Bird Studio

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B73j4cBXUYRNWV9aV2l0Ui0zMm8/view?pref=2&pli=1

The DBZ Kai website also suggests that he can destroy the Solar System

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/e/e2/Bddaf476-a31e-4d94-81c3-79e0a10a0e7e.png/revision/latest?cb=20160424023730

Various games also suggest that he can destroy the solar system

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/c/c7/82f697b5-ead0-4210-9961-495ef9aa10b8.png/revision/latest?cb=20160424023846

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/1/14/206e6e60-1660-421b-b932-bfdd2e7a8ee4.png/revision/latest?cb=20160424023919

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/6/64/8f496f45-7896-46e4-b4ee-0504abbb350c.png/revision/latest?cb=20160424023936

Cell states that he was going to blow away the Sun and the Earth, you might say that this is not solar system level however, the amount of energy required to destroy a solar system on the low end is around 535 Octillion Megatons of TNT, the force required to perform such a feat as blowing away the Sun and Earth would require between 800-900 Octillion Megatons of TNT, so this is solar system level

However, here is a variation where the solar system actually IS destroyed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6MlSurcqR4

This is a what-if scenario, namely if Gohan had lost against Cell. So all sources suggest Cell is SS level and this claim is consistent, hence Gohan, Cell and of course Goku are SS level and above.

So Goku is at very least Solar system level by SSJ2, SSJ3 is far more powerful than that and that's not including feats from Dragon Ball Super.

That's just the power stat. So that this doesn't get too long I'll do speed and durability later

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DW13-COMICS In reply to Yojimbo1989 [2016-06-25 09:46:57 +0000 UTC]

Supes has gone up against 5th Dimensional beings and HAS beaten them. Just not physically.

"writers were fans of Superman and they wanted him to win. And yes Goku has withstood far worse than that"
This should prolly go along with anyone else in topic, which also goes to DBGT, but then, I don't think that matters much, cuz there prolly has been writers that were not fans & only wanted to null him down during a fight. The animated series, for example...

Goku is not really a Universe Buster, let alone solar system level:
deathbattlefanon.wikia.com/wik…

But then again, Power levels can be debated over & over, but when it really boils down it, it's all about experience during years of trials & tribulation.
orig07.deviantart.net/9239/f/2…

BUT... when ya really get down to it, Superman is generally a very nice person, the best hero ever because he has a pure heart (unless if you count Injustice or Frank Miller) He does not fight to win, only fight in protection of the Earth & it's inhabitants. So basically, anybody wanting to pick a fight with this guy, win or lose, is only making themselves into a BULLY.
Hell, even Vegeta doesn't go that far.

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Yojimbo1989 In reply to DW13-COMICS [2016-06-25 11:14:36 +0000 UTC]

And yet the number of times that he has been nulled down to levels far below cosmic levels vastly outweighs the number of times he's gone up against 5-D beings and won.

"Goku is not a universe buster"

vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/d…

He's again trying to use that argument of "The shockwaves got stronger further from the source, at the point of impact they were the weakest". The point is that the shockwaves that were threatening the existence of the universe were created by the clash between Goku and Beerus, hence the energy required to destroy the universe was prodcued by Goku and Beerus. Since Beerus was intentionally lowering his power to match Goku's this means half the credit goes to Goku. 

And as for that post you just said, again not true. Superman has rarely if ever fought a cosmic level entity on his own and won, the only one I can think of off the top of my head is Dominus, but as I said completely outweighed by the number of times he's been beaten by much weaker opposition. Superman rarely if ever faces a multiversal cosmic threat on his own.

In the case of both the Anti-Monitor and Imperiex Prime it took the combined forces of all of Earth's heroes and several of Earth's villains to defeat both of those threats and it's the same with every other threat of similar power. And no he cannot do everything, it's completely unfounded.

Goku is also a real nice guy, if having a pure heart makes you the bet hero, then that makes Goku the best hero since he is also pure-hearted

mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/…

mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/…

mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/…

mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/…

Goku fights to win and to improve himself, but also to protect the Earth, the Universe and all its inhabitants. Whoever said that Goku would be picking a fight? He'd probably ask for a sparring match in somewhere like the Room of Spirit and Time.

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DW13-COMICS In reply to Yojimbo1989 [2016-06-25 12:10:30 +0000 UTC]

Toriyama has yet to decipher whether or not Goku is a Universe Buster, which I doubt that Goku is; Mainly because it was taking BOTH Goku & Beerus to do that & I'm pretty sure you were just making that up on the whole "The shockwaves got stronger further from the source, at the point of impact they were the weakest" because you never really paid any attention to the article, at least judging by how well you know from professionals.
That, and I'd still give the larger half to Beerus.

Hell, Superman could even take on Captain Marvel or Captain Atom, whom are known to be either Magical or Cosmic entities.
But he would never take them on a fight, because he's too much of a pacifist.

But then again, Superman (combined with another like him) was able to do something just as spectacular than that:
static.comicvine.com/uploads/o…

Unless if you were to count him as Sun-dipped, then he could do it all by his own:
s12.photobucket.com/user/Knigh…
static.comicvine.com/uploads/o…

Goku has never fought & likely will never fight any cosmic level entities, let alone intergalactic specimen. At least not on the level nor experience that Goku has yet to battle.
That, and he never will win against a fight with Vegeta & that dude plays hardcore, too.

And yes, Superman is more pure hearted than Goku, whom has too many flaws on his own such as, oh... GIVING CELL A GODDAMN SENSU BEAN TO FIGHT HIS OWN SON! WTF???
Goku has also been known to get many people, including his own friends mind you, into life-threatening danger. And it was ALL for the sake of some self-fish competition with another combatant, thereby jeopardizing both the lives of him & a planets' fate. Namek, for example; he just kept on pushing his little 'abilities' didn't he? Batman would rip him a new asshole just for that course of action.

Supes can talk someone out of suicide & in such a way that not many people can perform:
imgur.com/a/AQCJ1

"Goku fights to win and to improve himself"
Even with all the winnings, what virtue would that leave him with? Whereas Superman does not intend to fight directly, only to insure the protection of the Earth as a full priority.
THAT is the Heart of a hero, rather than to engulf yourself with petty competitions which would have no equal value of any privileges.

Hell, even if Superman were to fight, or spar with Goku it would be obvious that Supes would let him win: imgur.com/a/Ef34z
There is no such reward for fighting a good person unless if it were a damn good reason to do so, unless it was the irresponsibility of his opponent.

Even if Goku were to push it, Supes could easily just talk him out of it in no time. Just as he did with the 4-Elements by merely scaring the shit outta them:
static.comicvine.com/uploads/s…
static.comicvine.com/uploads/s…

SO... in the case of a Writer's perspective, rather than just two fans bickering all for nothing, the TRUE victor between Superman & Goku is actually this...

Neither of 'em.

Now how can you argue with that last one?

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Yojimbo1989 In reply to DW13-COMICS [2016-09-03 12:19:17 +0000 UTC]

Goku is a universe buster, simply because Beerus was matching Goku intentionally. If Beerus were responsible for the larger half then Goku would have been pushed back or annihilated in an instant.

Superman couldn't take on Captain Atom, that's just wank pal . The only time he's ever beaten someone of that scale is A - with absurd amounts of prep time and B - only with huge amounts of outside help

And both Buu and SSJ3 Gotenks (two characters vastly weaker than SSJG Goku) were able to tear a hole in dimensions just by screaming.

http://mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c298/12.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c298/13.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c299/1.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/dragon_ball/v41/c299/10.html

Gotenks was to do so after seeing Buu perform it once, he was unable to initially due to shortage of power, but after powering up to SSJ3 he was able to do it. There's absolutely no reason to believe that Goku couldn't do the same especially since shaking the universe with punches is just as impressive

Pushing a planet sized object through a boom tube and letting the big bang do all the work for him hardly counts as a universal feat.

Considering the outcome of Goku giving a senzu to Cell (SSJ2 Gohan decimating Cell) I have to say that wasn't much of a flaw and what many haters like yourself tend to forget is that he... oh what was it again SACRIFICED HIS LIFE IN ORDER TO SAVE THE EARTH! (CAP LOCKS ARE AWESOME!)

Goku couldn't beat Vegeta? LOL Goku already did that very recently in Dragon Ball Super, he beat copy Vegeta who was for all intents and purposes exactly the same as real Vegeta with the same power, personality and abilities.

I don't know if your memory is bad but as I recall it was some overly evil tyrant named Frieza that destroyed Namek and killed most of it's people most of which happened before Goku got anywhere close to Namek. Goku didn't put any of his friends in danger, his friends went to Namek of their own free will to resurrect those that had been killed by the Saiyans. Goku ended up having to save them all. Batman would be stupid for ripping Goku a new one for that A - because Goku did absolutely nothing to warrant it and B - He end up getting beat in an instant
Which is not at all relevant to this discussion.

And yet Superman is beloved by everyone, whereas Goku never gets any credit for anything that he does. Yet he still saves the Earth multiple times without expecting any thanks or expecting any reward. That is the definition of a true hero, one who is prepared to take on the burden of all the hardships of being a hero regardless of rewards or privileges. That's true of Superman as well, I don't hate on Superman, but I think that Goku is someone who is equally deserving of respect. Besides Goku HAS to train since some stronger threat always comes along, and Dragon Ball has a very clear progression of power and isn't something that can be saved by a change in writers
Goku is not the 4-elementals so whether or not he could is pure speculation.

How can I argue with the last one? Quite easily actually, first your comment completely goes against vs matchups and makes your own arguments completely pointless, and second then it all comes down to who is the more popular and everything that I've seen suggests that Goku is the more popular, even amongst comic writers (I've heard that Stan Lee thinks that Goku would beat Superman easily).

Anyway I'm bored of you now, it's clear your just another one that takes all of Superman's feats completely out of context and hates on Goku. Don't bother replying since it's clear any reasonable discussion with someone like you it a waste of time

Have a nice day

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Karma-Beetle In reply to DW13-COMICS [2016-08-01 20:14:50 +0000 UTC]

"SO... in the case of a Writer's" perspective, rather than just two fans bickering all for nothing, the TRUE victor between Superman & Goku is actually this...

Neither of 'em.

Now how can you argue with that last one? "

Thank you. Same can be said for all Death Battles. I don't even understand how it's an interesting conversation, I would be annoyed with people comparing my characters to characters I didn't make, with an entirely different style and story. Just like it would be stupid if I made a character called Dr Infinity who can destroy the universe in his sleep, and say that no one can beat him. Nope, no character that belongs to someone else can defeat him just like he can't defeat their characters because they would be -OUR- characters, and only the WRITERS have a say in what can happen in their universe.

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DRAGOREX In reply to Karma-Beetle [2016-08-02 05:49:56 +0000 UTC]

your statement actually makes alot of sense

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DW13-COMICS In reply to Karma-Beetle [2016-08-02 05:11:48 +0000 UTC]

It's like what Stan the Man Lee once said:
"Super Heroes never really fight each other, else they would gain something from it"
Such is the case on Superman's behalf, whom would just simply talk philosophy to Goku about the virtue of fighting & doing what is right with one another. Heck, even Vegeta is a more respectable fighter than Goku. Sporting, too.

But for all of those whom are STILL rocky with Death Battles stats, someone on here re-posted their stats with the same results:
mordecaiser123.deviantart.com/…

So that basically takes care of everything, and thanks for your understanding.

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Yojimbo1989 In reply to DW13-COMICS [2016-09-03 12:19:53 +0000 UTC]

Stats by someone who is the biggest hater in the history of haters... riiiggght

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DRAGOREX In reply to DW13-COMICS [2016-08-02 05:48:03 +0000 UTC]

nice, very inspirational

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DW13-COMICS In reply to DRAGOREX [2016-08-02 05:59:17 +0000 UTC]

Even though the real Superman would've done a better job than me.

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mega157 In reply to slayerdude677 [2016-01-20 06:20:33 +0000 UTC]

Let's just enjoy this art and hope for the best

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slayerdude677 In reply to mega157 [2016-01-20 10:43:16 +0000 UTC]

yeah its really well made  

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