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julyrains [2013-06-21 07:42:23 +0000 UTC]
Gorgeous.
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felibree [2011-08-12 14:56:27 +0000 UTC]
J'aime beaucoup ce genre de photo, un peu comme si la plante s'échappait vers un quelque part, vers nous finalement, et voulait nous montrer un chemin
Elle me fait penser à une photo que j'ai vu il n'y a pas longtemps [link]
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iram [2011-08-04 09:31:47 +0000 UTC]
loveliness.... and poetic
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MissUmlaut In reply to iram [2011-08-04 10:30:14 +0000 UTC]
I dont know...I have tweaked the colors and it is beyond my style. But, the ireality of colors was there to convey the stationary idea.
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MissUmlaut In reply to iram [2011-08-06 07:51:17 +0000 UTC]
Sure. And a have a whole bunch or irreality, fantasy and thing like that.
It is just a test here and not really part of my own photographic way, where I just want to see things (and show) with no decoration at all, even not the ordinary "I know what this is" veil. To wake up, really...I am not really patient enough to do zen meditation in front of walls, so I shot at them to wake up myself a little bit. Because when you stop to "know", you "see".
Color tweaking and explanation and title are some way to try to convey something to others.
I know we share a lot of things in art, sensitiity to colors, textures, composition...But where (I think) you put a lot of yourself I have the want to put as little as possible of me. Let a lot of blank to be filled by the viewer.
Is it that you are a painter using the tools of photography, and I am a photographer using the means (ie, color and composition mostly) of painting ? I dont know, this is unclear but in our artistic proximity, because we share obviously things, I see a profound difference.
Sorry for the rantings, I am lost and inconsistent but still searching.
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iram In reply to MissUmlaut [2011-08-07 05:40:37 +0000 UTC]
you know – creative work is a long way full of junctions, every junction you have to choose which way you’ll take… I believe creativity deals a lot with “taking choices”, and since I can’t produce good enough photos – I work more like a painter: I “build” the image from the simple picture, sometimes from scratches, one step after the other, till it means something for me… and sometimes my work is reversed – I clean and clean and clean, till I have only the most essential and important parts to sum up my view….
I don’t know exactly “where” I put a lot of myself, why or how I’m doing it… I agree with you when you say “where you put a lot of yourself I have the want to put as little as possible of me.” - your work is definitely more “objective” than mine… although this scale of “objectivity” is quite relative, you know (I mean it’s in the eye of the beholder), but I think I know what you mean…
It’s true I put a lot of myself into my work, it is personal, I can definitely say “it’s ME there”… you can’t separate between me and my work, like any other creation of mine ( the 2 houses I built, or my stages and costumes at the theatre ) or, in general, everything I do – I’m a total person: “not less than everything !” and I’m emotional too… I think the amount of “how much you put yourself into your creation” is due to our nature , personality, taste, the way we understand “art”, and maybe also the “need” of a particular state-of-mind… it may differ from phase to phase or during the time, it may change a bit by others’ influences or inspirations… but I agree it’s a typical identity which you can’t really change, like your fingerprint… so I can’t really change my nature, only to fine-tuning it
What you said here and the comparison you’ve made between us is very interesting for me and I put a lot of thought on this since I read your comment yesterday night… my answer is only the first things which came to my mind, but I’m sure it will continue to bother me for a long time… thanks
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MissUmlaut In reply to iram [2011-08-07 07:01:39 +0000 UTC]
You have deep understanding indeed.
Not less than everything is big, that is an artist way of doing !
I also seek into myself, but I am just a photographer, at a turning point may be : not good enough to do anything without thinking, not longer candid enough to have the gift of inguenuity. And anyway, the digital photography as destroyed, for good or bad, the apparent "objectivity" of photography. I think it is good, the photography was never really objective or truth, just pretending to some of that, and now the pretense itself is gone away.
The main difference now -as I feel it- between digital paint and photography is time, paint is time stacking, assembling differents points of view, different lighnings also - where photography is unicity of point of view (camera obscura that had such an influence on paint since quatrocentto ) and unicity of time and lightning.
I agree we cannot change our nature. But we an change our ways, and our choices (artistic and technics) in the quest of our nature, of our truth. That will may be permeate into larger truth of others...I feel I am a deaf trying to tune finely a concert piano . The meds I take deafen my emotional capacity to resonate inside, and may be, may be...The serenity I seek is also an emotion ? There are different kind of silence, different kind of emptiness.
I dont want to bother you. May be you will at some point find yourself painting again with oils and pastels, now you are painting with light and photography and digital. Just like I feel that what is good for me into digital painting (aspartam) is when it almost look like my own abstract photography . Now, I am painting walls in the house so I got to go .
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iram In reply to MissUmlaut [2011-08-07 13:08:20 +0000 UTC]
Phewwww…. My dear! every note from you is SO full with information and new ways of putting things (ideas) that I need time and my brain to digest (comprehend) you challenge me, not at all bothering!!!! (I used the word “bothered” in the GOOD sense of this word) talking with you is refreshing and interesting - I miss these kinds of talks here… get ready to a loooong answer
“I am just a photographer… not good enough to do anything without thinking, not longer candid enough to have the gift of ingenuity”… - bullshit! (smile) :frustrating:
I saw a picture yesterday, in the newspaper, and it was inside of an article about the on-going protest here in Israel of the middle-class against the harsh capitalist policy of our government (the demonstrators built hundreds of tents in the center of few cities, the big protest is in the middle of Tel-Aviv, and they live there already for 3 weeks…) … the picture I saw was very simple: a tree with an obit stuck to its trunk, says one big word “FATHER”, and in front of the tree, to its feet, on the ground – a simple mattress … that’s all. Nothing more.
It’s obvious this is a spontaneous shot. There is no connection of time between the obit and the mattress, and yet – somebody passed and saw it and made the connection in his mind, and the result of this shot is just brilliant!....
I know the theory about “without thinking” – automatically creation… my son spend HOURS of trainings in order to automatically place his legs in the correct way which will allow him to shot the ball into the basket… it doesn’t work like this in art!... creativity deals with details. Observing the details and making connections deals with thinking. Thinking is a process and takes time.
As for “candid enough” – I’m not sure this is the ultimate secret of ingenuity… maybe to see without to know?... maybe something much bigger or harder to perceive that we can’t explain or divide into this or that quality?....
“we can change our ways, and our choices (artistic and techniques) in the quest of our nature, of our truth” - I agree with that.
“...I feel I am a deaf trying to tune finely a concert piano “ - it’s a great expression!
“ may be...The serenity I seek is also an emotion ? There are different kinds of silence, different kinds of emptiness.” - I believe I meet you in this point. Maybe it’s our age, or disappointments kind of summing up and final consolidation which makes life more bearable… ? in the depths everything becomes a law, somewhere everything is tied to some kind of a new meaning, even silence, even emptiness… and I feel more free - that is, free to make mistakes
I can’t believe I’ll ever paint with real paint on a real paper working with digital camera and computer is a bad trainer regarding patience and delayed gratifications… cutting, copy, paste, and other tools are so simple and immediate that it will be too painful to give up these facilities….
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MissUmlaut In reply to iram [2011-08-07 13:33:49 +0000 UTC]
Without thinking, I mean spontaneously really. Letting the body- eyes, hands, feet (yeah, I am rather physical when shooting) do whatever is needed allow a level of spontaneity, that is a bit different from the natural that comes first.
I think it is not so different from sport, or from music. A musician playing never think about what his hands or finger are doing, he thinks or feel about the music itself. Doing analog has become complicated, and as I have always been a serialist, condition that just worsened with digital use, I dont go back now. But I miss the way it was so natural and the commands where just right under my fingers. My body have changed too : eyesight deteriorated, I have to rely on autofocus instead of hand-eyes focus, and that makes a difference too. I like to try new things because I become a newbie again and I love that. There is more room for mistakes, those precious mistakes sometimes.
I paint the walls but it is exhausting...Painting on paper is frustrating for me because I can't get the color precise, and if there is not precision in shade there is no real color for me. I would like to paint monochromes, just for the pleasure of the material without the frustration. If somebody explained me the technics I would paint a copy of a Rotko because obviously, I will never have a real one and photographies of paints do not have the same vibration.
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iram In reply to MissUmlaut [2011-08-07 21:40:25 +0000 UTC]
yes, the analogy to a musician playing is correct and I know exactly what you mean.
in my case, especially when I'm tired and fedup with un-successful trials, I work without thinking, as if I'm playing with and in-between the different layers... the most happy mistakes happens then - some of my most unexpected results, as you said - "those precious mistakes"...
and I'm sorry to hear using an analog camera is frustrating for you now... I can imagin how much of your creativity pleasure is reduced...
as for monochromes - I believe you don't mean a mixture of one color with different amounts of black and white... maybe you mean a palette of coloured grays?
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MissUmlaut In reply to iram [2011-08-08 06:03:10 +0000 UTC]
Painted monochromes ? Nah, just like Klein, or Malevitch, or almost monochrome like some paintings of Rotko...Larges surfaces of pure, vibrating color.
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