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'You don't believe in Jesus?''No'
'What can you believe in?'
'I'm Hellenic polytheist'
'What?'
'I believe in the Greek Gods'
'………….'
'Zeus…. Aphrodite…. Athena…'
'How can you not believe in Jesus?'
'I just don't'
'Its not real'
'What?'
'Those are just myths'
'And what do you think Christianity is?'
'The truth'
'My gods are real to me'
'They aren't real'
'Dude, are you serious? Religion is based on faith.'
'Not this, Jesus is real.'
'No Christianity is based on the faith and trust that Jesus was real. Show me one piece of evidence that Jesus lived.'
'…'
'That's what I thought.'
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True. I think that the more modern religions are no different than the ancient myths.
There is a quote by Richard Dawkins, "In practice, what is an atheist? An atheist is just somebody who feels about Yahweh about the way any decent Christian feels about Thor or Ball or the Golden Calf. As has been said before, we are all atheists about most of the gods that man has believed in - some of us just go one god further.”
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I'm sorry you had to deal with someone like that, and while I personally may believe your beliefs are wrong, I'm not going to try and fight you on it. Christians are supposed to be of love and faith, and being challenged by something as outlandish in today's society as Hellenic Polytheism (it's not necessarily bad, but not very popular nowadays, obviously) is something that is a bit absurd, to say the least. Point being, I don't have to believe you to respect you, just as you may do the same to those who act like that to you. In fact, let me remind my fellow Christians that we must
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"Do unto others as you want done unto you" -Matthew 7:12
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then your a idiot god is real. and just so you know there is only 1 god not 100s of them.
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All these people in the comments section insisting that he was real, and speaking of archeological evidence, yet not a single one presents a link or even mentions specifically what evidence there might be. This is what happens when your book literally tells you to reject logic in favor of blind faith. As for the apostles who died in his name, religion tends to martyr people. Just look at the Islamic suicide bombers who blow themselves up for their faith. Besides, even if Jesus did exist, his mere existence does not, in and of itself, make him the son of God, and even if he was, his dad is still a piece of shit. I am not an atheist, because atheists do not hate god (despite what most Christians will tell you), they simply don't believe he exists. I guess you could say I am a "skeptical rejectionist", meaning I believe that he may or may not exist, but if he is, I fucking hate him to death. It also doesn't help that his followers tend to piss me off royally, but admittedly not all of them, only most.
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Christians are faithful. However, if you demand evidence then look at Jason Lisle. He provides evidence that Jesus did exist and that Creationism beats Evolution! Watch his Youtube videos.
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Well, thank you for providing a link, unlike everyone else who refuses to even attempt to back up their claims, but like I said, even if he did exist, I hate his dad enough to go all "hail satan" simply out of spite, even though Satan is a product of Christianity as well. Religion has not only ruined the world we love in beyond repair in my opinion, but also played a significant role in ruining my life during childhood. Combine what the thought of an afterlife did to me then, all the contradictions I noticed in the bible after that, and all the pushy Christians who influence our laws and constantly insist on converting me, and the only thing I hate more are doctors and shrinks, for they are what showed me that if there is a god, he is either a sadist, or a lazy asshole who doesn't care if his supposed favorite creation suffers to the point of actually looking forward to hell because it seems better. Fuck God. He fucked me first. If he loved us, we wouldn't be born with sin before we even had the ability to commit a sin. That's like giving an infant life in prison because his mom killed someone. Not to mention no loving creature would even allow infinite suffering for finite offenses, let alone induce it himself. Also, if all the bed shit happening to good people, while greedy assholes rise to the top is supposed to be a "test", than it stands to reason that the way to pass that test would be to become a greedy, evil scumbag like successful people. Besides, if god had faith in us, he wouldn't need to test us, and I cannot bring myself to believe in anything that obviously doubts me. Even if god is real, and controls everything (which directly contradicts the idea of free will), that just means he is the one to blame for this curse I call life, and I therefore hope to torture and murder him for it.
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Your heart is full of hatred for God. But you must understand that God loves us. The Bible shows how the Israelites were nothing but rude to God, however, he kept his anger from them. I know you had a bad childhood, we all did, myself including, however, you must understand that God allowed that to happen so you may humble yourself and when you do humble yourself your eyes are opened to see that God has a greater plan instore for all of us. A plan that will be so HUGE, so AMAZING that it will make you forget all your past pain; it will fill you with bliss. God was with you all the time when you were hurting, and those people you claim 'insist on converting you' are just looking out for your own good. Religion has not hurt our world but brought our world closer. And that religion is Christianity. It is a fact that the Bible heals others and helps the brokenhearted. Even if God is not real (which he is) the very idea of God is enough to turn this cruel world (who was made evil by man) into a world of love. The idea of God is like God being a father who cares for us and is watching out for us in miraculous ways, helping cure our brokenheart, help us to heal our wounds and pain, Jesus makes us avoid hell by just curing our wounds and scars from past experiences. Can you imagine that? A God who makes us avoid hell on heaven and in the afterlife by saying "I love you and I am here for you." Hell is the consequence for sin. Think of it like a father and a son. God represents the father and us, the son. The father tells the son there will be consequences for the sons actions but the son does whatever he wants. However, the father lets him do it because God gives us freedom of choice. Think of the Prodigal son. How the father (representing God) lets the son have freewill and the son finds that because of said freewill I am suffering more than before. That is the world today. We have been separated from God and because of that we are suffering because of that separation. That is why a child is born with sin. Think of the Prodigal son never returning back to the father and the son gives birth to another son(lets call him other son to avoid confusion)...other son has to suffer too because of his father's choices. Other son has to live a life of homelessness because his father does not have money. This is what happens when we are separated from God. We lose all of the things God offered us like food, shelter. The father of the prodigal son did sell half of his land so his son can have money but over time the son lost all of it. However, when the son returned back home, the father welcomed him with open arms like nothing ever happened and clothed him and feed him. That's what God is: Love, compassion, forgiving. He wants to take away our burdens but only if you let him
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Bullshit. Holding back science, crusades, holy wars, the Salem witch burnings, suicide cults, etc. Even if it was mankind that did these things, they did so in the name of god. Therefore, religion HAS harmed the world. And if I hadn't been "humbled" as you say, I would still be trying to murder my family, myself, and the doctors for what I was put through, which there is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE FOR! The people trying to convert me aren't looking out for my best interests, they often insult and threaten me when they find out I'm a non believer. This behavior, as well as the holy wars and such mentioned earlier, are proof that religion (no matter which one) separates people, rather than bringing them together like you say. I couldn't even bring myself to read your entire long winded comment trying to get me to love god, but there's my counter point for the first paragraph or so. The fact is, it's more than "a rough childhood". If it were merely that, than I would only be speaking of doctors and family, not my veiws on religion. These views come from life experiences that continue to this day, inner reflection, observation of the world around me, and lots of reading and research. I'm going to blare some Rob Zombie, glue an upside down cross to my bike, and jerk off to BDSM nun porn just for you.
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I'm sorry you're hurting, God can help you. He is always there for you when you're hurting even if you cannot see it.
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Hell - enic polythiest. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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Though we have proof of people believing in the Greek gods we don't have proof of their existence, though there is actual proof of Jesus being a real person. We also have the MANY saints that devoted themselves to him. One of the key points that helped me believe is this " Why would the disciples go through pain and torture just to spread a lie? What about all the saints that also died spreading his word?" The world is so complicated in the ways that it works together that it has to have been written with one hand, works so that everybody can live in love. I have felt Jesus' Love and I hope you can too.
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That same "why would the apostles do it if it was false" question has often popped into my head whenever things involving my faith start to get jumbled around inside my head. Neat to see other that other people think about it, too.
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Why would Islamic terrorists blow themselves up if Allah wasn't real. Lol Things like these can be applied to other religions too. Though you may have felt Jesus's love, the only I got from Christianity was a good beating. This comment is only 40% troll.
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There is actual evidence in archaeology of his life.
Also many other religions talk about him even if they don't believe the truth of who he was, and i think that proves he is REAL.
The real questions is DO YOU HAVE FAITH IN HIM?
ALSO CAN I AKS WHO YOU WERE IN THIS CONVERSATION?
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Lol there are several accounts on Jesus existing despite ur religion. Like he was a human
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Do those gods set your heart on fire? Make wanna be a better person? Feel an unfathomable love from all those Greek gods?
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There are documents and records that were made back then that show Jesus definitely existed. And the Bible was written by lots of different people over a long period of time, how could they all be writing about the same person without that person actually existing? Jesus did live and he was crucified and buried. The only thing nonbelievers can't figure out is what happened to him. No one can find the body, and there are fifty witnesses that testify he's alive. What proof is there that he's not? I don't judge people by their religions, but I don't want them to go to hell because they won't let Jesus save them.
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Atheist here. I had a Christian ask me why I hated at God. I asked her why she hated Zeus, Jupiter, Osirus, Vishnu, Quan yin, and Cernunos.
This was her reply to me
"I don't hate any God which you named because they don't exist and I don't hate some thing which are myths and don't exist. I hate evil action people do in the name of their delusion and myths."
And my reply back.
"Exactly! Just as I figured. You, see, I feel the same way about all of these god's as you do. The only real difference between us is that I feel the same way about one more god, yours. The gods I listed have been worshipped and loved by their devotees just as you love and worship Yahweh. With the same fervor, passion, and trust. You feel it's perfectly reasonable to write these deities off as superstition, myth, nonsense. Well, you're no different to us. You accused myself and other atheists of hating Yahweh. I don't hate Yahweh because he doesn't exist. Many of us, however do hate evil action done in the name of your delusions and myths. We see the bible as just another book of bs myths, questionable morality, and senseless rules. You are an atheist to every god that was ever worshipped in human history, we just axed one more."
Funny thing is, though I label myself an anti theist, I pretty much give neo pagans a pass. I've never seen an Asatru decapatate someone in the name of Thor. I've never seen a Wiccan holding up a sign saying "Hecate hates fags." Frankly, if heaven is full of Christians, hell is the more attractive option. A hot place with cool people.
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I'm sorry that you feel that way about those that believe in God, but I feel that God is Love, As most of the time things are done out of love of ourselves and The Christian community, at least the one I'm in, promotes that God wants peace and love, and if we show that to others we can get that in return. And just like any group of people there will always be people who go above and beyond, twisting rules so they can do things in a terrible way. I hope you can see that God fills our hearts with joy, because I know that in discovering God my life has only been happiness, knowing that I can have a life full of joy, hope and love.
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Don't be steriotypical with us Christians. We are not freaks who force you to believe your religion is wrong.
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Scollars all agree Jesus was a person. They all believe he was real.
Just saying.
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That's not actually true. Jess is usually mentioned in classic history by the authors of the time in the past tense, and the historians that were alive during the time Jesus was supposed to be alive don't mention him at all.
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Mmm.. Ok.. uhm, well, look 'im up.
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its free will, man.It sucks I hate it when Christians bum on polytheism. I am a saved Christian but I believe you should love everyone and respect there beliefs because most times their faith is older and you just shouldnt stomp on someones faith like you said its all based on faith. sorry you got a bum christian instead of a loving one. believe me even the best of Christians have a hard time with stupid people like that.
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You can say "why would 2.1 billion people follow a person who isn't real?"
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Amen. But there are more reasons, agreed?
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His doesn't prevent evil because he have is free will. If he prevented evil, then no one would have the choice and we wouldn't earn our way to heaven. And he doesn't stop bad things because he has to show that life isn't perfect. There is lots of proof. I would ask the person is there any proof of his or her "gods".
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I have a more practical answer to why god allows bad things to happen: Simply free will. Assuming he set things in motion which brought us to life and he wanted us to have free will then he couldn't really intervene because then he'd be imposing his will on us and robbing us of ours. So when bad things happen isn't it just the consequences of our actions, ie free will. Food for thought, and of course I do enjoy a good philosophical piece like this.
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I'm Christian, and I really do like what you've said here.
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Jesus in islam is not god but he is a prophet.
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He is 'thought' to have been gods son, but you can not be a son if if the father is not real and you can not be a son if you are not real.
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There are so many comments here judging him based on wht he believes. When u think about it believing in greek gods is as normal as believing in jesus or hindu gods or allah. The greeks believed in them. Im a catholic and I believe in jesus but im just saying, he shouldnt be criticized because this is wht he believes im
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A Case for Christ, by Lee Strobel is a good discovering journey that could address the assertions that Jesus of Nazareth is just a myth. Of course, the historical Jesus has been proved beyond the shadow of the doubt, and his claims of equality with God are either insanity or truth - but those who have the spirit of the living God alive in them know certainly it is the latter.
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Then, if you are so dire to have this proof, then I want you to to show me some of yours.
And that's what I THOUGHT.
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Jesus is the "son of god" in the form of man. In other words he is God. He comes for the sinners and the poor and teaches people of love, faith and the main thing is how to have eternal life..Mathew 19:28 Jesus said to them,"I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the son of man sits on his glorious throne, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And who has left houses or brothers or sisters or fathers or mothers or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life"...so the main point is to follow Gods commandments, not religious nor man and faith will overcome all obstacles..
GB
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Let me talk to this person, and I shall show him/her more evidence than he/she can take. He/she will be the one speechless!
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HAHA! Another self-righteous conceited hell bound fool.
Respond to these please:
The historian Josefus records a Jesus who did many "great deeds" among the people. A non-Christian corroboration.
Jesus' followers were all martyred, save for John (author of Revelations). They all died for what they knew was a lie?
Of the contemporary attacks on Christianity which are on record, none have been found attacking his existence. You would think 30 years after his supposed death (about when some of the Gospels were written) that would be an easy argument to make if he did not exist.
And my favorite: the Book of Daniel records the most dynamic, incredible, and PROVABLE prediction in history! Gabriel tells Daniel to the day -an error margin of 0- when the Messiah was going to present himself to Jerusalem as a king - AND THAT HE WOULD BE KILLED. Lest you say that bible was a creation of the middle ages or some other such nonsense, the septuagint translation of the bible, a greek version, was in writing 3 centuries before Christ was born. It is a matter of record that the old testament was translated into greek by 70 scholars before 300 AD. It's verifiable history. It is fact. AND TO THE DAY, Christ fulfilled that prophecy went he arrived in Jerusalem, hailed as a king, yet unjustly murdered shortly after.
Btw... have some guts. Pick on Allah. Or is Christianity the easy target, because you mistake "turning the other cheek" as weakness? Trust me... it is not.
To paraphrase Voltaire, I may disagree with what you say completely but I will defend to the death your right to say it. You have freedom of speech because countless men who believed in the God you denigrate fought and died for it. You have freedom of speech because the founders of this nation believed in the God you denigrate. You cannot argue with these facts. Read George Washington's inaugural address or his first Thanksgiving address, or the intro to the Declaration of Independence.
Let's see you pick on Islam, you oh so brave harbinger of truth. Ha!
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uh... who are you talking about again? If you are trying to pick on Oilux, then it is you who is uneducated. He never meant to pick on a religion, but rather give insight that it simply a form of a belief that many fall prey to. He never said Jesus didn't exist, but rather a person who existed in the past. One that I associate with everything that your "son of god" and everything that he stood for had been manipulated over the centuries by those who believe in only exploiting in order to control even entire civilisations in such a destructive matter over time, even to this day there are many a fool who try and do what would be considered "sinful" acts in the name of your "martyr" and his "father". Of course, not all Christians are foolish human beings, but there are many.
As Oilux stated, it is all about the faith and loyalty of a religion, nevermore.
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There is evidence of man called Jesus having lived among us 2,000 years ago. Therefore, Christianity is faith in Jesus' sovereignty as Lord and/or His teachings, not His EXISTENCE.
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"For it is from within, out of a person's heart, that evil thoughts come"
-Mark 7:21
From our hearts comes evil, anyone who says otherwise is lazy and a coward.
Where is the evidence that the Greek gods are real?
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"From our hearts comes evil, anyone who says otherwise is lazy and a coward."
"Anyone who says otherwise is Lazy and a Coward."
"For it is from within, out of a person's heart, that evil thoughts come."
-Mark 7:21
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He isn't saying that he has evidence of their existence, as he has said that religion itself is the faith and loyalty of believing that a certain outcome will happen, out of all other possible outcomes. In reality, this power called religion may seem to unite many, but if used for it's original purpose, can control entire civilisations into blindly falling off a cliff (figuratively speaking). If you see some examples, the Jewish religion does not allow it's population to eat and form of pig, due to around the time this rule was implemented was not because of god, but because the pig was pretty much the dirtiest thing to exist and since many could not eat it due to wiping out a good portion of the population, they prevented it by manipulating the religions rules, even if to save lives. It is the same with Catholics and contraception, and your so-called Anti-homo kind of religion. All of this, so that the churches, the buildings that allow these religions to be practiced, so that their population of people who end up supplying them with money constantly and eventually live off of it now. It is a form of manipulation, one that I am partially fortunate not to have chosen that path as a blind follower or manipulator.
In the end, religion is like Chinese whispers: it always gets changed all the way to the end. You may disagree with me, and I cannot blame you for thinking like this, but then again, it is an unchangeable fact.
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I was probably slightly... hotheaded, I have a tendency to act before thinking so I am likely at least a little at fault, if not just because of my offensive wording.
I believe in my religion because I believe it to be true, I have not yet had the pleasure of truly and blatantly feeling GOD's presence because I am content with what I know and have not actively searched for it... I understand that we cannot know for sure which religion is correct until we die; if my beliefs are incorrect then I will willingly face any consequences because I followed my faith and lived the kind of life I believed befitting.
I am what I am fairly sure is a Biblical Christian- my beliefs come from the Bible, rather than a preacher's tongue. I make my decisions based on what I have seen and heard.
To a Christian like myself, the Bible is a history book written by GOD. Your knowledge of history comes from a book, does it not?
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