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Description "Not vaccinating your child sounds like abortion but with extra steps."

This was something a friend said to me via discord. And she does have a point. The thing with vaccinations is that they're there to protect your children, other children and the general population from diseases like polio, measles, chicken pox, etc that claimed the lives of children in the past or gave them physical disabilities such as being unable to walk. These aren't things that your body can just magically build a resistance to and everything is going to be fine. If that were the case then there wouldn't be so many deaths or reports of complications 100 years ago.

And the fact that these diseases haven't been in existence for the past 100 years ago shows that these vaccines do work and do a lot of help. And no amount of blaming autism on vaccines is going to change that or whatever disorder your child has. Which has more to do with your genes/how the brain is wired than it does with vaccines. But you know people don't like to take fault with themselves. Why not blame it on something else.

Let's keep the comments mature. If not I'll disable the comments.    
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Mimigaming200 [2022-08-13 17:12:14 +0000 UTC]

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LeadingYouOnIdiot [2021-10-23 23:42:51 +0000 UTC]

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MyAvatarIsHappy [2021-09-03 01:18:19 +0000 UTC]

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littlesunshinelily [2019-10-02 02:33:23 +0000 UTC]

when your country/state outlaws abortion so you become an antivaxxer

improvise. adapt. overcome

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MyAvatarIsHappy In reply to littlesunshinelily [2021-09-15 08:26:18 +0000 UTC]

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Tradekeep [2019-04-28 00:05:18 +0000 UTC]

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MyAvatarIsHappy In reply to Tradekeep [2021-09-03 03:59:48 +0000 UTC]

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Alexiskuwata In reply to Tradekeep [2020-01-06 07:47:49 +0000 UTC]

Agreed

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DiegoTheSaberTooth In reply to Tradekeep [2019-11-26 21:24:21 +0000 UTC]

I wonder if he is simply MissouriPatriot in hiding......NOBODY can be as ignorant and stupid as he is clearly being.....

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OnlyTheGhosts [2019-03-20 07:37:21 +0000 UTC]

LOL, apparently Zim-is-gay  is so scared of getting his dumbass kicked in debate that he's the kind of loser who drops a comment, then immediately blocks the person he's attacking.


"Wow so i'd love for onlyghosts child to fall gravely ill with a preventable disease"

- Define "preventable disease". Prevented by what? The vaccines don't appear to prevent any diseases at all.

*The vaccinated are spreading epidemics*

www.cnbc.com/id/102473744 .

*Flu shots spread the Flu, turning the vaccinated into carriers who infect other people!*

www.pnas.org/content/early/201…

6.3 (95% CI 1.9–21.5) times more aerosol shedding among cases with vaccination in the current and previous season compared with having no vaccination in those two seasons.”

www.pnas.org/content/115/5/108…

Before the Measles vaccine was introduced, it was extremely rare for an infant to contract measles. However, by 1993 more than 25% of all measles cases were occurring in babies under one year old. That's likely because vaccinated mothers do NOT pass on any resistance to the disease onto their children - and arguably is evidence that the Measles vaccine DOES NOT WORK.


“Children of mothers vaccinated against measles and, possibly, rubella have lower concentrations of maternal antibodies and lose protection by maternal antibodies at an earlier age than children of mothers in communities that oppose vaccination. This increases the risk of disease transmission in highly vaccinated populations.”

academic.oup.com/jid/article/2…


Logically, the best option is NOT to vaccinate, as it does NOT improve resistance.


“...vaccine-induced measles antibodies decline with time and may fall under the protective level.”

www.pubfacts.com/detail/814709…


And the above study shows that measles vaccine antibodies don't provide any long term protection, _even if they actually worked!_ (which there's very little evidence to show the vaccines provide any real protection).


In the USA, the measles vaccine also KILLS A LOT MORE PEOPLE than the disease;

www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/find…


and the vaccine severely harms THOUSANDS of people;

www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/find…


Measles vaccine protection doesn't seem to work at all, despite moronic government officials encouraging more vaccinations with more of the same crap that didn't work in the first place;


“An outbreak of measles occurred in a high school with a documented vaccination level of 98 per cent.”

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic…


“Vaccination coverage for the population was 99%. Incomplete vaccination coverage is not a valid explanation for the Quebec City measles outbreak. ”

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18…


“The epidemiology of measles in Cape Town has thus changed as evinced in this epidemic, with an increase in the number of cases occurring in older, previously vaccinated children.”

www.biomedsearch.com/nih/1992-…




You couldn't cope with the rest I posted here already which is probably why you blocked, Zim-is-gay  ;

www.deviantart.com/comments/1/…



"They also apparently haven't heard of the nortality rate in thirs world countries mostly contributed to preventable diseases they don't have access to vaccines for."

- Explain how vaccines that CLEARLY DO NOT FUCKING WELL PROTECT ANYONE are supposed to prevent any diseases? I doubt you can name even one vaccine that has gone through a long term study with comparisons between vaccinated and unvaccinated that show the vaccine works to prevent the disease it's supposedly protecting against.


"It's flat out neglegent murder."

- No, the Smallpox vaccine was flat-out negligent murder because it was the wrong virus in the vaccination. The immune system can't protect against a virus it has not been previously exposed to, to believe that it does is magic thinking and not logical. Jenner was basing his idea of using cow pox on an old wive's tale, without even testing to see if his idea was based on real evidence. He did no peer reviewed studies yet gained royal patronage, and from there the industry began. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic…



Not one long term peer reviewed study was carried out to test if the vaccine even worked, and like other vaccinations, no studies were done comparing between the unvaccinated and vaccinated in the long term either. In over two centuries, none were carried out by any of the pharmaceutical manufacturers, by the government authorities, or anyone tied to the vaccine industry. I'v asked for evidence of such a study, others have asked for evidence of such a study, nobody can cite one. Which is weird, and suspicious as hell.

The smallpox vaccine killed millions. It contained HORSE POX, not "cow pox". 
www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/1…
www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/…

They got it wrong. Every time there was a mass vaccination with the "smallpox vaccine", it was followed by a mass epidemic and lots of people dying. It's a horror story. I quote: "A genomic analysis of a sample of the smallpox vaccine from 1902 provides evidence that the vaccine used to eradicate smallpox disease—which is caused by the variola virus—was made of  horsepox, a genetically similar but different virus entirely."

Do you even know how vaccines are "supposed" to work? THE WRONG VIRUS can not, and never could, provide a 'sample' for the immune system to be prepared for combating a DIFFERENT virus.

It means that NOBODY was saved by the smallpox vaccine - and millions were killed by it. The entire medical establishment for over a century was injecting the WRONG VIRUS, started epidemics, and not protecting anyone. 

The "Smallpox vaccine" actually resulted in lots of people getting Smallpox later anyway because the “Smallpox vaccine” did not work despite the advertising - and many of them got TB too. 88% of the people given the Smallpox vaccine got what was diagnosed as Smallpox anyway; it didn't protect worth a damn. The Smallpox vaccine was so useless, that it became an embarrassment. In 1972 the World Health Organization focused instead on forced quarantines of individuals. Their "ring-vaccinations" did nothing because the vaccine simply didn't work. Bureaucrats being the idiots that they usually are, they ignored that it would have been a lot simpler to have enforced quarantines on individuals for the 3 weeks it required for the infection process to run it's course from the very beginning.

The Smallpox vaccine was responsible for nearly all of the Smallpox epidemics. According to the statistics, it becomes clear that the smallpox vaccine was deadlier than the disease and the source of most epidemics of Smallpox. Many people suffered vaccine-induced deaths, and in multiple instances, major outbreaks of smallpox occurred within populations that had already been vaccinated for the disease.


For example of this was the 1831 smallpox outbreak in Wurtemberg, Germany, where 995 vaccinated people developed smallpox. That same year, a similar smallpox outbreak occurred in 2,000 people living in Marseilles, France, all of whom had also been vaccinated for smallpox.


England decided to legislate compulsory vaccination in 1854, which in 1859 led to a major smallpox epidemic in which 14,000 people died. In subsequent years, more than 100,000 lives were claimed by smallpox, despite widespread vaccination as mandated by the English government.


1854: England legislates for compulsory vaccination; widely opposed by eminent doctors of the day.


1857-59: Vaccination in England is now enforced, with fines for non-compliance, much to the disgust of rational medical men around the country who vigorously oppose it. Thus begins the smallpox epidemic of England, which lasts until 1859, killing over 14,000 people.


1854-63: Smallpox claimed over 33,000 lives by this point, following the introduction of a compulsory vaccination program.


1863-65: England’s second major epidemic strikes, claiming a further 20,059 lives.


1870-72: England’s third major epidemic claims 44,840 lives, the worst of the three, which occurred following compulsory vaccination.


1907: Compulsory vaccination laws were repealed. Their failure was too obvious to disguise or “spin” with the PR methods available at the time.


1910-33: During this period, in England and Wales combined, only 109 kids under the age of 5 years died of smallpox; 270 died from the vaccination. It is estimated there were around 40 million people in the UK in 1910. In reality, improved living conditions had all but wiped out smallpox, despite the vaccine-induced epidemics of prior decades.


u2.lege.net/whale.to/a/smallpo…


u2.lege.net/whale.to/vaccine/q…

Now, with the availability of genetic analysis, we know why. It was because there was the WRONG VIRUS IN THE VACCINE.

 The first ever study using government data  
archive.org/stream/b2136140x#m…
on the use of the smallpox vaccine between the vaccinated and unvaccinated 1889 showed the severity of smallpox as a disease had not been mitigated by vaccination and found the vaccine to be “useless and dangerous.”

When during 1880-1908 the City of Leicester in England stopped vaccination compared to the rest of the UK and elsewhere, its survival rates soared and smallpox death rates plummeted.
www.archive.org/stream/leicest…
www.whale.to/a/biggsdiagc.jpg

Biggs said “In this comparison, I have given the numbers of revaccinated cases, and deaths, and each fatality-rate separately and together, so that they may be compared either way with Leicester. In pro-vaccinist language, may I ask, if the excessive small-pox fatality of Japan, of the British Army, and of the Royal Navy, are not due to vaccination and revaccination, to what are they due? It would afford an interesting psychical study were we able to know to what heights of eloquent glorification Sir George Buchanan would have soared with a corresponding result—but on the opposite side.“


"Not vaccinating a child does, not only for the child who wasn't vaccinated but for others who haven't had the chance to be that the unvaccinated kid spread their disease to."

- Recall the fact that VACCINES START EPIDEMICS.

*The vaccinated are spreading epidemics*

www.cnbc.com/id/102473744 .

*Flu shots spread the Flu, turning the vaccinated into carriers who infect other people!*

www.pnas.org/content/early/201…

“6.3 (95% CI 1.9–21.5) times more aerosol shedding among cases with vaccination in the current and previous season compared with having no vaccination in those two seasons.”


www.pnas.org/content/115/5/108…

You are a champion for negligent murder, Zim-is-gay , and you probably want a lot more people to suffer too. Increase the number of vaccinations the _DEATH RATE FOR INFANTS GOES UP!_

journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/…

journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/1…

journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/…

www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-34…


Many children are dying as a result of the medical authorities insane divorce from commonsense and scientific evidence. Then those same authorities, along with the liars in the corporate media, cover up the result, hide the evidence any way they can. They have *ZERO ETHICS* and don't care that kids are being murdered for company profits.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknew…

vactruth.com/2016/04/02/brain-…

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-28r00…

www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWQGn5…

www.deccanherald.com/content/3…

tuoitrenews.vn/society/16937/a…

www.centralmaine.com/2012/11/0…

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-28r00…

www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-n9lC…

vactruth.com/2015/04/23/baby-d…

www.gofundme.com/qbry9a?fb_act…

vactruth.com/2015/09/05/infant…

vactruth.com/2016/04/02/brain-…

www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPTd6y…

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao4gLs…

www.makaila.fr/article-campagn…

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/art…


Learn a little about the real world,  Zim-is-gay


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OnlyTheGhosts In reply to OnlyTheGhosts [2019-11-17 09:52:23 +0000 UTC]

Spunky537 just ignores the scientific evidence


"if you had the flu 3 times in a row because you don’t fucking vaccinate,"


- Read the studies I cited, your Flu vaccine DOES NOT FUCKING WORK



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Spunky537 In reply to OnlyTheGhosts [2019-04-24 18:13:33 +0000 UTC]

Ok, jesus christ, excuse my language, but you are actually a fucking idiot, you look for any way you can to start an arguement “thats why we have an immune system”
hey guess what you anti-vax fucker, each time you get a disease, it weakens your immune system, if you had the flu 3 times in a row because you don’t fucking vaccinate, you’ll die of a common... fucking... cold... you sure would be one for the headlines then, you’ll get all the attention you would ever want, sure, they might be laughing, but hey its still attention, right? Or do you not want to admit attention is hat you want, cause let me tell you, by spamming all the comments, with 50 paragraphs each time, your definitely getting my attention, you dirty fuck, either wise up or fuck up, and you’ve already chosen one, and no it’s not wise up

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Alexiskuwata In reply to Spunky537 [2020-01-06 07:49:24 +0000 UTC]

Agreed. Because vaccines are there to make you have a strong immune system.

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MyAvatarIsHappy In reply to Alexiskuwata [2021-09-03 01:19:31 +0000 UTC]

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CarChaseer In reply to Alexiskuwata [2021-10-26 09:21:06 +0000 UTC]

Flagged as Spam

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Alexiskuwata In reply to Spunky537 [2020-01-06 20:03:37 +0000 UTC]

That person is ignorant because I did research for does vaccines cause autism and found it doesn’t.

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Spunky537 In reply to Alexiskuwata [2020-03-09 19:31:44 +0000 UTC]

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Alexiskuwata In reply to Spunky537 [2020-03-11 12:05:45 +0000 UTC]

THANK YOU! 😡

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Spunky537 In reply to Alexiskuwata [2020-04-07 16:17:21 +0000 UTC]

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Alexiskuwata In reply to Spunky537 [2020-04-09 08:09:27 +0000 UTC]

Same. If it was true I would vaccinate my future child.

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LeadingYouOnIdiot In reply to Alexiskuwata [2021-10-23 23:46:39 +0000 UTC]

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Gaylienz [2019-03-19 19:21:19 +0000 UTC]

Wow so i'd love for onlyghosts child to fall gravely ill with a preventable disease so they know exactly what it's like to willfully kill their own child out of pure ignorance. They also apparently haven't heard of the nortality rate in thirs world countries mostly contributed to preventable diseases they don't have access to vaccines for. Hrm. Odd. But that must the government too. Fucking idiot.

Though i will say i like the humor to this stamp it's not abortion. It's flat out neglegent murder. Abortion doesn't end a life because it doesn't end a concious living being thay can think, feel etc. Not vaccinating a child does, not only for the child who wasn't vaccinated but for others who haven't had the chance to be that the unvaccinated kid spread their disease to.

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MyAvatarIsHappy In reply to Gaylienz [2021-09-05 21:58:25 +0000 UTC]

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OnlyTheGhosts [2019-03-14 18:06:13 +0000 UTC]

"These aren't things that your body can just magically build a resistance to and everything is going to be fine."

- Yes they are. Humans were doing just fine building a resistance to diseases BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN IMMUNE SYSTEM. That's it's job! It's what it does. 


"And the fact that these diseases haven't been in existence for the past 100 years ago shows that these vaccines do work"

- You must believe in the Time-Travelling vaccines myth, either that or you never researched the chain of events. You should _not_ be giving credit to vaccines for eradication of diseases that were already disappearing anyway *BEFORE THE VACCINES* due to better nutrition, hygiene, sanitation, access to clean water, soap, not having sewerage running down open gutters in the streets, and not having people forced to work ridiculous hours in horribly polluted factories. Apparently the defenders of vaccines are so enthused that they never notice their own contradictions.

“Measles mortality fell prior to the introduction of vaccines or antibiotics.”

www.researchgate.net/publicati…

www.vaccinationcouncil.org/wp-…

www.vaccinationcouncil.org/wp-…

www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/w…

freelearner.typepad.com/.a/6a0…

www.vaccinationinformationnetw…

www.sott.net/image/s18/366384/…

www.dissolvingillusions.com/gr…

Regarding the link between vaccines and Autism, has it occured to you that quite possibly the pharmaceutical industry can tell lies? That they could be motivated by the profits from a trillion-dollar industry to cover-up, to distort, and mislead?

There is zero evidence of a genetic link to Autism. Nobody has actually found one. The media pushes the myth, often saying there's a study started, but they never tell you the results or they mislead about those results.

Pro-vax media and the corrupt medical industry propaganda have tried to claim that there was only "one" study into a vaccine - autism link and it was retracted. They don't mention there are HUNDREDS of peer-reviewed studies showing that Autism is linked to vaccines. Merck & Co. a major manufacturer of MMR vaccines, has admitted that vaccines in general can cause autism. GlaxoSmithKline's own documents (exposed in an Italian court case) revealed they knew of the link between vaccines and autism. The UK health authorities were also forced by a freedom of information request to admit that they knew of the link between vaccines and autism.


The CDC admits that vaccines can cause brain damage


therefusers.com/cdc-says-mmr-a…


The USA government has already paid out billions of US Dollars in compensation for neurological injuries due to vaccines.


www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/re…

A Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request filed in the UK forced the Department of Health to release confidential documents outlining the details of MMR's initial approval back in the 1980s. These documents revealed that GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), the manufacturer of the MMR vaccine Pluserix, knew that there were problems with the vaccine causing a high rate of adverse events in children. Among these were encephalitis and other conditions associated with autism.


Watch the videos of the USA Congressional hearings on the link between Autism and Vaccines.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2M5LA…

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrEKD8…


*1)* The CDC and FDA cover-up of the link between vaccines and Autism got officially exposed during the hearings.


*2)* *There were no Autism cases - anywhere in the world - before 1930.* _Autism only appeared in nations after they began vaccinations._ This was supported by peer-reviewed scientific evidence, along with official statements, presented at the congressional hearing.


*3)* Autism isn't only more likely with vaccinations, it's _caused_ by vaccinations. There is not one confirmed case of an Autistic person born anywhere on Earth without vaccination being involved..


*4)* There is absolutely zero genetic link; NOBODY is born with Autism. Anywhere. _Nobody has ever found any genetic link and no peer-reviewed study supports the myth of the "genetic link" despite media bullshit claiming it exists._


“That the occurrence of autism has risen steadily in the last decades is not in dispute. PRIOR TO THE 1930'S AND THE INTRODUCTION OF VACCINATIONS AUTISM WAS UNKNOWN.”

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic…


That was from a PEER-REVIEWED STUDY in a respected journal. “Taylor & Francis Group publishes quality peer-reviewed journals under the Routledge and Taylor & Francis imprints.”

taylorandfrancis.com/journals/

www.tandfonline.com/



As for why not before 1930... Thimerosal (the Mercury compound) was marketed as a preservative for use in vaccines from the year 1929 onward by Eli Lilly & Co. In it's apparent eagerness to promote and market the product, in September, 1930, Eli Lilly secretly sponsored a "human toxicity" study on patients already known to be dying of meningococcal meningitis. Senior partner Andrew Waters stated that, "Lilly then cited this study repeatedly for decades as proof that thimerosal was of low toxicity and harmless to humans. They never revealed to the scientific community or the public the highly questionable nature of the original research."



Pro-vax folks don't seem to mind at all about what Gardasil does either. I'm sure those girls given Gardasil/HPV vaccine are so overjoyed, not... especially as so many have been left crippled by illnesses and even died

www.sciencedirect.com/science/…

ijme.in/wp-content/uploads/201…

www.bmj.com/content/358/bmj.j3…

timeforaction.org.uk/campaign-…

www.judicialwatch.org/press-ro…

www.judicialwatch.org/blog/201…

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www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-…

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic…

healthimpactnews.com/2014/they…

www.wakingtimes.com/2015/06/24…

fox4kc.com/2014/08/08/girl-wit…

www.manchestereveningnews.co.u…

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic…having-cervical-cancer-jab-doctors-dismissed-illness-stomach-bug.html

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzEgeC…

www.manchestereveningnews.co.u…news/teenage-girls-dies-hpv-vaccine-11308240

healthcareinamerica.us/japanes…

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnT7Xc…

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UHy-E…

www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3oVH4…

www.gardasil-and-unexplained-d…



There’s also a higher chance that many of these women victims of the HPV Gardasil vaccine become incapable of having children;. This is according to a peer reviewed scientific study;

www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10…



Silent Epidemic documentary

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTjvX6…



Sacrificial Virgins documentary

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAzcMH…

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQruoH…

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FvYtP…

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Sky-Iark In reply to OnlyTheGhosts [2019-03-19 21:24:00 +0000 UTC]

Despite its name, the immune system does not actually make you immune to disease.  Just because you built up resistance to it doesn't mean you can never catch it...bacteria and viruses are among the most adaptable organisms on the planet - new strains with resistance to both body and medicine get discovered all the time.

Just cause autism was unknown doesn't mean it wasn't there.  Reminds me of a certain animator who claimed that no one knew about depression and suicide and claimed that media caused it.  All this stuff's been around since Mankind began...they just didn't have words for it then.

Plus...the 30s-50s aren't known for their ethical medical treatments.  Are you saying we should bring back lobotomies and shock therapy, too.  Cause those were both prominent 'cures' for mental illness back then.  This was also a time when Homosexuality was seen as a mental illness.  People back then didn't know hardly anything about mental illness...so trying to use them as a source for your information just burns your credibility.

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OnlyTheGhosts In reply to Sky-Iark [2019-03-20 03:08:57 +0000 UTC]

"the immune system does not actually make you immune to disease."

- Nobody said it does. It makes you immune to that particular strain, and only that strain. If not exposed to that strain, it can't be expected to respond to it any better, so a vaccination containing a different strain is NOT going to work, right?


"Just cause autism was unknown doesn't mean it wasn't there."

- That's a fairytale excuse, and you need evidence for it. You may as well be saying "I don't know a penguin that can fly but that doesn't mean there isn't one". Besides, it came out in a USA congressional hearing that there were absolutely zero cases of Autism in any form before 1930, it simply did not exist. 

Before 1930, the rate of Autism in the world was effectively ZERO. There is no genetic link, people are not born with Autism. These facts came out during the USA Congressional hearings on the link between Autism and Vaccines.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2M5LA…

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrEKD8…


I recommend watching the first link in it's entirety. If you have the time to watch the second, you may find it interesting. I listened to it while engaged in other activities. The CDC cover-up is also exposed; they lied about the MMR vaccine link with Autism when they denied there wasn't any. One of the authors of the CDC paper, Dr. Thompson, said that the data was falsified and the study had been manipulated.  



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Sky-Iark In reply to OnlyTheGhosts [2019-03-20 05:07:35 +0000 UTC]

You're ignoring the fact that early 20th century understanding of mental health was...abysmal.  This is the same time period when everyone thought that lobotomies cured mental disease. I said that just because they didn't know what it was doesn't mean it wasn't a thing.  Please tell me that they taught you what past tense words were in school, cause if they didn't then...there's no point in trying to reason with you.  And who knows?  There's millions of species that have yet to be discovered...I mean, we at one point thought all spiders were carnivores.  And yet, we recently discovered a species of jumping spider that feeds exclusively on the fruits and leaf tips of the shrubs it calls home and actively avoids contact with the ants that call those same shrubs home.  Up until that discovery, pretty much every book about spiders claimed that they were strictly carnivorous.  So yes, there may very well be a penguin species that can fly and we just haven't discovered it yet.

Vaccines contain deactivated cells from viruses and diseases.  In other words, they're dead - but they still contain enough information that your body's cells can build up a fighting force against a living threat.  If you haven't noticed, disease outbreaks in the US are very few and far between...it's not just because of a stronger immune system - it's because of a stronger medical field with a better understanding of how diseases and viruses work.  Today, the life expectancy is into the mid 80s - and of course, you get the occasional 90-100 year olds.  Back in the 30s, you're lucky to even make to 60.  And I'm sure the further back you go, the shorter the life expectancy gets - because medicine was in its infancy at that time.  

And honestly....if you'd rather have your child get sick with a life-threatening - but preventable - disease than worry about the miniscule chance that they might get autism, you don't deserve to have children.  People need to stop stigmatizing autism and acting like it's a death sentence.  I counter both of your videos with just one - the fact that you only went after one study is kind of sad really.  The CDC weren't the only ones who debunked the link between vaccines and autism.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=o65l1Y…

I recommend watching it in it's entirety.

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OnlyTheGhosts In reply to Sky-Iark [2019-03-20 05:38:37 +0000 UTC]

"You're ignoring the fact that early 20th century understanding of mental health was..."

- You're ignoring that fact that I provided a link and the scientific studies presented to the USA congress. How about you start there, and then make your bullshit excuses in relation to the evidence instead of simply ignoring it? Your excuse is debunked already. Get over it. There was no Autism before 1930. Period.


"Vaccines contain deactivated cells from viruses and diseases.  In other words, they're dead -"

- That's a myth, in truth, the vaccines often contain live viruses. As a result, the vaccinations spread epidemics.

*The vaccinated are spreading epidemics*

www.cnbc.com/id/102473744 .

*Flu shots spread the Flu, turning the vaccinated into carriers who infect other people!*

www.pnas.org/content/early/201…

6.3 (95% CI 1.9–21.5) times more aerosol shedding among cases with vaccination in the current and previous season compared with having no vaccination in those two seasons.”

www.pnas.org/content/115/5/108…



"If you haven't noticed, disease outbreaks in the US are very few and far between.."

- If you have never researched the topic, it's no wonder you're still pushing the myth of the vaccines getting rid of all those diseases.... because the vaccines came AFTER THE DISEASES WERE ALREADY DISAPPEARING. What you are repeating there is the myth of the time-travelling vaccinations.  You should not be giving credit to vaccines for eradication of diseases that were already disappearing anyway BEFORE THE VACCINES due to better nutrition, hygiene, sanitation, access to clean water, soap, not having sewerage running down open gutters in the streets, and not having people forced to work ridiculous hours in horribly polluted factories. Apparently the defenders of vaccines are so enthused that they never notice their own contradictions.


“Measles mortality fell prior to the introduction of vaccines or antibiotics.”

www.researchgate.net/publicati…

www.vaccinationcouncil.org/wp-…

www.vaccinationcouncil.org/wp-…

www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/w…

freelearner.typepad.com/.a/6a0…

www.vaccinationinformationnetw…

www.sott.net/image/s18/366384/…

www.dissolvingillusions.com/gr…

The down trend began before the widespread vaccinations. Claiming the vaccines caused this is like claiming that a guy in a time-machine did it.


".if you'd rather have your child get sick with a life-threatening - but preventable - disease..."

- Prevented by what? As I already cited peer reviewed studies showing that the Flu vaccine results in more Flu epidemics, it's clear the Flu vaccine doesn't prevent disease at all. It is the cause of many epidemics. The vaccine doesn't work. I doubt you can name even one vaccine that has gone through a long term study with comparisons between vaccinated and unvaccinated that show the vaccine works to prevent the disease it's supposedly protecting against.



"Today, the life expectancy is into the mid 80s - and of course, you get the occasional 90-100 year olds."

- My father's father lived to 101. My father's mother lived to 98. Neither one of them was ever vaccinated. The historical record already shows that vaccines came AFTER the diseases they were claimed to protect against were ALREADY DISAPPEARING. Measles has been apparently largely avoided by better nutrition, cleanliness, access to clean water, etc... surely just having "cleaning hospital equipment" is not the only thing going on in a person's home, or school, or workplace, or in the street. I'm pretty sure that we don't have sewerage running down the gutters of modern day cities in most 1st world nations, unlike the situation of a century ago but maybe I'm just imagining that the streets are a lot cleaner and don't have sewerage everywhere. Washing hands with clean water and soap would seem an influential improvement over trying to wash hands without soap in dirty water that came from a horribly polluted river with no filtration anywhere at all in the network of plumbing and water supplies. Eating a decent meal instead of being half-starved would seem to be a big help too. Perhaps not being forced to work long hours from childhood might have helped. Maybe just being able to wash clothes in clean hot water could have assisted a bit.



" I counter both of your videos with just one - the fact that you only went after one study is kind of sad really. "

- No, what's sad is that you couldn't even refute that one study. How the fuck are you going to deal with the hundreds more that I can cite? LMFAO

That video idiot you just linked is lying, ignorant retard. There are hundreds of peer reviewed studies showing vaccines ARE LINKED TO AUTISM, and none at all which can clear vaccines.

“These observations indicate that even a very small dose may cause extensive adverse effects later in life...”

“In children, methylmercury exposure during pregnancy (in utero) has been associated with delays in reaching developmental milestones (e.g., age at first walking) and decreases in intelligence, increasing in severity with increasing exposure. Ethylmercury exposure from thimerosal in some vaccines has been associated, in some studies, with autism and other neurological disorders in children. In this paper, we have examined whether dose-response data from in vitro and in vivo organic mercury toxicity studies fit the Druckrey-Küpfmüller equation c·t(n)=constant (c=exposure concentration, t=latency period), first established for genotoxic carcinogens, and whether or not irreversible effects are enhanced by time of exposure (n≥1), or else toxic effects are dose-dependent while time has only minor influence on the adverse outcome (n<1). The mode of action underlying time-dependent toxicity is irreversible binding to critical receptors causing adverse and cumulative effects. The results indicate that the Druckrey-Küpfmüller equation describes well the dose-response characteristics of organic mercury induced neurotoxic effects. This amounts to a paradigm shift in chemical risk assessment of mercurial compounds and highlights that it is vital to perform toxicity testing geared to investigate time-dependent effects.”

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26…


“...the significant association between vaccination and NDDs all support the possibility that some aspect of the current vaccination program could be contributing to risks of childhood morbidity. Vaccination also remained significantly associated with NDD after controlling for other factors, whereas preterm birth, long considered a major risk factor for NDD, was not associated with NDD after controlling for the interaction between preterm birth and vaccination. In addition, preterm birth coupled with vaccination was associated with an apparent synergistic increase in the odds of NDD above that of vaccination alone.”

(NDD = refer to neurological damage, in other words *BRAIN-DAMAGE* )

www.oatext.com/pdf/JTS-3-186.p…


“Failure of the excretory system influences elimination of heavy metals and facilitates their accumulation and subsequent manifestation as neurotoxins: the long-term consequences of which would lead to neurodegeneration, cognitive and developmental problems. It may also influence regulation of neural hyperthermia. This article explores the issues and concludes that sensory dysfunction and systemic failure, manifested as autism, is the inevitable consequence arising from subtle DNA alteration and consequently from the overuse of vaccines.”

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic…


"The preponderance of the evidence indicates that mercury exposure is causal and/or contributory in ASD" (in other words, mercury - as in vaccines containing the organomercury compound Thimerosal, is linked to Autism)

www.sciencedirect.com/science/…


"Taken together these findings suggest deleterious effects on the cytoarchitecture by thimerosal and initiation of mitochondrial-mediated apoptosis." (Thimerosal is really, really, really BAD! )

www.sciencedirect.com/science/…


"Taken together, these results indicate that thimerosal-induced neurotoxicity occurs through the JNK-signaling pathway, independent of cJun activation, leading ultimately to apoptotic cell death." (Thimerosal is dangerous toxic crap that screws-up your brain!)

academic.oup.com/toxsci/articl…


"Based upon differential diagnoses, 8 of 9 patients examined were exposed to significant mercury from Thimerosal-containing biologic/vaccine preparations during their fetal/infant developmental periods, and subsequently, between 12 and 24 mo of age, these previously normally developing children suffered mercury toxic encephalopathies that manifested with clinical symptoms consistent with regressive ASDs." (Yes again Thimerosal is linked to AUTISM)

www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10…


Methodological Issues and Evidence of Malfeasance in Research Purporting to Show Thimerosal in Vaccines Is Safe

“There are over 165 studies that have focused on Thimerosal, an organic-mercury (Hg) based compound, used as a preservative in many childhood vaccines, and found it to be harmful. Of these, 16 were conducted to specifically examine the effects of Thimerosal on human infants or children with reported outcomes of death; acrodynia; poisoning; allergic reaction; malformations; auto-immune reaction; Well’s syndrome; developmental delay; and neurodevelopmental disorders, including tics, speech delay, language delay, attention deficit disorder, and autism. In contrast, the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention states that Thimerosal is safe and there is “no relationship between Thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism rates in children.” This is puzzling because, in a study conducted directly by CDC epidemiologists, a 7.6-fold increased risk of autism from exposure to Thimerosal during infancy was found. The CDC’s current stance that Thimerosal is safe and that there is no relationship between Thimerosal and autism is based on six specific published epidemiological studies coauthored and sponsored by the CDC. The purpose of this review is to examine these six publications and analyze possible reasons why their published outcomes are so different from the results of investigations by multiple independent research groups over the past 75+ years.”

“This review article shows methodological flaws in six separate CDC studies claiming that thimerosal does not cause autism. In three specific instances (Madsen et al. 2003, Verstraeten et al. 2003 and Price et al. 2010) evidence of malfeasance on the part of CDC scientists is shown. Background data (not reported in print) from these three publications suggest a strong link between thimerosal exposure and autism.”

www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/…


Activation of Methionine Synthase by Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 and Dopamine: a Target for Neurodevelopmental Toxins and Thimerosal

Molecular Psychiatry, July 2004.
Richard C. Deth, PhD [Northeastern University]

This study demonstrates how Thimerosal inhibits methylation, a central driver of cellular communication and development.

(Yes, Thimerosal screws-up the development of children's brains)

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14…

www.nature.com/articles/400147…



Blood Levels of Mercury Are Related to Diagnosis of Autism: A Reanalysis of an Important Data Set
Journal of Child Neurology, 2007
M. Catherine DeSoto, PhD, Robert T. Hitlan, PhD -Department of Psychology, University of Northern Iowa

Excerpt: “We have reanalyzed the data set originally reported by Ip et al. in 2004 and have found that the original p value was in error and that a significant relation does exist between the blood levels of mercury and diagnosis of an autism spectrum disorder. Moreover, the hair sample analysis results offer some support for the idea that persons with autism may be less efficient and more variable at eliminating mercury from the blood.”

journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.11…



Thimerosal Neurotoxicity is Associated with Glutathione Depletion: Protection with Glutathione Precursors
Neurotoxicology, Jan 2005.
S. Jill James, PhD, University of Arkansas

This recent study demonstrates that Thimerosal lowers or inhibits the body’s ability to produce Glutathione, an antioxidant and the body’s primary cellular-level defense against mercury.

(they also mention a reminder that Thimerosal is in the flu vaccines given to PREGNANT WOMEN!)

www.sciencedirect.com/science/…



Geier et al. 2014 J Biochem Pharmacol Res “The risk of neurodevelopmental disorders following a Thimerosal-preserved DTaP formulation in comparison to its Thimerosal-reduced formulation in the vaccine adverse event reporting system (VAERS)” 2:64.

“This study supports a significant relationship between increased organic-Hg exposure from Thimerosal-preserved childhood vaccines and the child's subsequent risk of a ND diagnosis.

www.researchgate.net/publicati…



“In phase I, it was observed that there was a significantly increased risk ratio for the incidence of ASD reported following the Thimerosal-containing DTaP vaccine in comparison to the Thimerosal-free DTaP vaccine. In phase II, it was observed that cases diagnosed with an ASD were significantly more likely than controls to receive increased organic-Hg from Thimerosal-containing hepatitis B vaccine administered within the first, second, and sixth month of life.”

“The present study provides new epidemiological evidence supporting an association between increasing organic-Hg exposure from Thimerosal-containing childhood vaccines and the subsequent risk of ASD diagnosis.”

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24…

translationalneurodegeneration…


“The weight of scientific evidence supports Hg as a causal factor in subjects diagnosed with an ASD.” (Hg = Mercury, ASD = Autism Spectrum Disorders)

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20…



“Mercury in thimerosal found in many vaccines and flu shots contributes significantly to these problems. Decomposition of the thimerosal can produce more toxic compounds, either methylethylmercury or diethylmercury, in the body. These compounds have a toxicity level similar to dimethylmercury. Within the human body, a mitochondrial disorder may release the more toxic form of mercury internally. Young children and pregnant women must minimize internal exposure to the vaccines and flu shots containing mercury.”

link.springer.com/article/10.1…


“Thimerosal treatment decreased cellular levels of GSCbl and MeCbl. These findings indicate that the alternatively spliced form of MS expressed in SH-SY5Y human neuronal cells is sensitive to inhibition by thimerosal and neurotoxic metals, and lower GSH levels contribute to their inhibitory action.”

(In other words, Thimerosal inhibits important factors of brain development)

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26…


“The organic compounds exerted stronger cytotoxic effects as compared to inorganic HgCl2. In contrast to HgCl2 exposure, organic Hg compounds seem to induce the apoptotic cascade in neurons following low-level exposure”

(Even in tiny quantities and low concentration, Thimerosal results in a cascade of brain cell deaths)

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26…



“Results show that TM and EtHg inhibited the thioredoxin system enzymes in purified suspensions, being EtHg comparable to methylmercury (MeHg). Also, treatment of neuroblastoma and liver cells with TM or EtHg decreased cell viability (GI50: 1.5 to 20μM) and caused a significant (p<0.05) decrease in the overall activities of thioredoxin (Trx) and thioredoxin reductase (TrxR) in a concentration- and time-dependent manner in cell lysates. Compared to control, the activities of Trx and TrxR in neuroblastoma cells after EtHg incubation were reduced up to 60% and 80% respectively, whereas in hepatoma cells the reduction was almost 100%. In addition, the activities of glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase and 6-phosphogluconate dehydrogenase were also significantly inhibited by all mercurials, with inhibition intensity of Hg(2+)>MeHg≈EtHg>TM (p<0.05). Cell incubation with sodium selenite alleviated the inhibitory effects on TrxR and glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase. Thus, the molecular mechanism of toxicity of TM and especially of its metabolite EtHg encompasses the blockage of the electrons from NADPH via the thioredoxin system.”

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25…



“ethylmercury (EtHg) and adjuvant-Al are the dominating interventional exposures encountered by fetuses, newborns, and infants due to immunization”

“Rigorous and replicable studies (in different animal species) have shown evidence of EtHg, and of Al toxicities. More research attention has been given to EtHg and findings have showed a solid link with neurotoxic effects in humans”

www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/12/2/12…

www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/12/2/12…



“Overall these results underline the proapoptotic effect of thimerosal on primary human lymphocytes at concentrations 100 times less to those contained in the multidose vaccine, and they reveal the inhibitory effect of this preservative on T-cell proliferation and functions at nanomolar concentrations”

(Thimerosal at 100th the amount in vaccinations damages the immune system's T-cells!)

journals.plos.org/plosone/arti…



“...early neonatal exposure of thimerosal produced two of the hallmark characteristics of autism—sociability deficits and a male-oriented bias, suggesting that thimerosal mercury exposure is potentially a causal environmental risk factor for ASD.”

(Autism-like results from Thimerosal exposure)

academic.oup.com/toxsci/articl…



“Thimerosal at low nanomolar (nM) concentrations induced significant cellular toxicity in human neuronal and fetal cells. Thimerosal-induced cytoxicity is similar to that observed in AD pathophysiologic studies. Thimerosal was found to be significantly more toxic than the other metal compounds examined”

www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10…


“These data document that early postnatal THIM administration causes lasting neurobehavioral impairments and neurochemical alterations in the brain, dependent on dose and sex”

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21…

www.sciencedirect.com/science/…



“These findings document neurotoxic effects of thimerosal, at doses equivalent to those used in infant vaccines or higher, in developing rat brain, suggesting likely involvement of this mercurial in neurodevelopmental disorders”

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21…

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Aluminium in brain tissue in autism

“The aluminium content of brain tissue in autism was consistently high. The mean (standard deviation) aluminium content across all 5 individuals for each lobe were 3.82(5.42), 2.30(2.00), 2.79(4.05) and 3.82(5.17) μg/g dry wt. for the occipital, frontal, temporal and parietal lobes respectively. These are some of the highest values for aluminium in human brain tissue yet recorded”

“What does this mean for today’s generation of children who receive 5,000 mcg of aluminium in vaccines by the age of 18 months and up to 5,250 additional mcg if all recommended boosters, HPV and meningitis vaccines are administered.”

(The Aluminium in vaccines again is linked to Autism!)

www.sciencedirect.com/science/…


Critical analysis of reference studies on the toxicokinetics of aluminum-based adjuvants

This study refuted 3 other earlier studies that tried to claim Aluminium was “safe”;

The sole experimental study of Al adjuvant kinetics had inappropriate design.

Quick AlOOH removal is commonly assumed despite 94% retention 28 days after injection.

Theoretical toxicokinetic studies in infants used debatable safety limits.

No study considered the potential toxicity Al remaining in the particulate form.

Novel long-term experiments are mandatory to define Al adjuvant toxicokinetics.

www.sciencedirect.com/science/…


“...aluminium exposure is associated with the production of pro-inflammatory cytokines and chemokines and with the development of chronic oxidative stress, mitochondrial dysfunction and glial activation or dysfunction; these changes in turn are associated with ASD.”

(Aluminium in vaccines causes BRAIN-DAMAGE linked to Autism!)

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic…


“ In young children, a highly significant correlation exists between the number of pediatric aluminum-adjuvanted vaccines administered and the rate of autism spectrum disorders”

link.springer.com/article/10.1…


“Our results, supported by the Hill's criteria for establishing causality between exposure and outcome indicate that a causal relationship may exist between the exposure to Al from vaccines and the rising prevalence of autism in the Western world”

www.sciencedirect.com/science/…


Long-term persistence of vaccine-derived aluminum hydroxide is associated with chronic cognitive dysfunction

“Aluminum is highly neurotoxic”

“In addition, aluminum opens the blood brain barrier ... and increases endothelial adhesion of circulating leukocytes”

“Instead of being a non-specific bystander effect of pain, fatigue or depression, MACD seems to reflect an underlying organic, inflammatory or toxic, brain involvement.”

www.sciencedirect.com/science/…


Shall I continue to bury your dumbass in actual peer reviewed science?


"than worry about the miniscule chance that they might get autism"

- You have a peculiar concept of 'minuscule' (which is how you actually should spell it), as even the CDC admits that Autism rate has climbed skyhigh in just 50 years.

In 1970 it was 1 in 10,000 (Treffert, et. al., 1970).


In 1987, it was 3.3 in 10,000 (Burd et. al., 1987).


In 2000, it jumped to 1 in 150 (CDC, 2000).


In 2007 it had climbed to 1 in 66 (CDC, 2007).


In 2014 it was 1 in 50 (CDC, 2014)


In 2015, it was 1 in 29 (CDC, 2015)


In 2016, it was 1 in 16 (CDC, 2016)



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RavyneSidhe In reply to OnlyTheGhosts [2019-03-22 04:53:59 +0000 UTC]

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OnlyTheGhosts In reply to RavyneSidhe [2019-03-22 04:58:56 +0000 UTC]

You put up something controversial and yet expected no arguments nor anyone to contradict it? How odd. How is it "spam my comments" when people are posting evidence and debating?

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YouDontKnowSponge [2019-02-25 22:19:27 +0000 UTC]

I am pro choice on first term abortions or if the child is going to have down syndrome (most DS children just end up causing havoc), but parents who refuse to give their kids vaccines are just as worse as parents who force religion on to their kids if they reject it.

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OnlyTheGhosts In reply to YouDontKnowSponge [2019-04-03 02:28:54 +0000 UTC]

Have you ever investigated how dangerous vaccines are? I doubt it.

The medical business has always been in a depressing state, so much corruption. Like with the tobacco industry doctors who lied about cigarettes being safe (they lied for centuries too!), and the asbestos industry scientists who lied about the safety of asbestos. How is it that people become so gullible again, forgetting these facts?

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YouDontKnowSponge In reply to OnlyTheGhosts [2019-04-03 05:37:28 +0000 UTC]

Your kids will die at the age of 3 if you don't give them vaccinated you cancerous anti-vaxx parent. You cancerous anti-vaxx parents deserve to be banned from the internet. I hope your kids get taken away if you have any.

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Dicey459 In reply to YouDontKnowSponge [2022-01-06 11:51:11 +0000 UTC]

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OnlyTheGhosts In reply to YouDontKnowSponge [2019-04-03 06:32:31 +0000 UTC]

Wrong. You sound as misinformed as Zim-is-Gay

www.deviantart.com/comments/1/…
www.deviantart.com/comments/1/…

I've cited peer reviewed scientific studies in my other comments contradicting the bullshit of the corrupt medical industry which you wrongly chose to believe, so, I'm expecting that you will next turn to the old insult "anti-vaxxers are anti-science" or something similarly absurd as you disregard the peer reviewed scientific studies.

That's just how far up your arses a lot of "pro-vaxxers" are. They'll cite "authority" websites while ignoring the actual SCIENCE, then turn around to insult the side that is CITING THE SCIENCE, and call anti-vaxxers "anti-science"

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OnlyTheGhosts In reply to OnlyTheGhosts [2019-04-03 08:19:49 +0000 UTC]

And YouDontKnowSponge  demonstrates the expected, leaving a stupid insult, ZERO EVIDENCE, and then BLOCKS.

hahahahahaha!

Not surprising as the dumbass loon blocked comments on all of his deviations anyway.

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YouDontKnowSponge In reply to OnlyTheGhosts [2019-04-03 08:14:01 +0000 UTC]

More like you are a fucked up soccer mom cunt who knows nothing. You anti-vaxx cunts are no more than dictators who don't let children make their own choices cause you want them to die at age 3. I hope you SJW cunts are one day overthrown.

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YouDontKnowSponge In reply to YouDontKnowSponge [2019-04-03 18:14:59 +0000 UTC]

OnlyTheGhosts
Says the one who supports killing children at the age of 3. I hope you die from a deadly disease like small pox or polio if it will be the only way for you soccer mom cunt to gain sense.

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MyAvatarIsHappy In reply to YouDontKnowSponge [2021-09-05 22:05:42 +0000 UTC]

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Alexiskuwata In reply to YouDontKnowSponge [2020-01-06 07:51:45 +0000 UTC]

I agree with you.

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