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Published: 2013-08-09 23:32:14 +0000 UTC; Views: 1067; Favourites: 14; Downloads: 0
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I drew some Lokane. Oddly enough, I was already working on this when the new Thor trailer came out. Inspired by my favorite Thor/Avengers fic, World Under Siege by Ione, which has all the slow build and UST you could want from a complicated pairing like this. (Something sort of like this happens roundabout chapter 19, but I fudged a bit.) You can (and should) read World Under Siege here: www.fanfiction.net/s/7984216/1…Characters, obviously, (c) Marvel, with credit to Tom Hiddleston and Natalie Portman for their lovely faces
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I was surprised this fic wouldn't have any fanart in spite how popular is it. I hardly would call it "lokane", at least not in the nice sense. This scene belongs to certain chapter?
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Well, it certainly starts off from a rough point and emotional breakthroughs are a long time coming, but I think as the story goes on it gets steadily more lokane-y. And the author is definitely a lokane shipper. I think she's just taking it slow to keep everyone in-character. I don't really know that there's a way to do that without it being dark. This scene is inspired by the night Jane and Loki get drunk, which I think spreads from chapters 18-20, though I might be off.
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Oh, okay, I see. Yes, this fic isn't anything but shappy, that's for sure. And certainly it's a nice break in the fandom: usually fics come along the lines "Oooh! I like him/her! He/she isn't that bad... let's go to bed!" short off. This is one of the most realistic fics I've come across. I didn't know Ione is a Lokane shipper, though. And well, perhaps the fic heads to that direction, yet I find Loki is an abuser in this story (towards Jane, not only because his mental break) and I hardly can take it as a healthic romantic relationship, though. That's why I doubd it.
But yes! I remember that chapter. It's among the ones Loki behaves nice with her and she learns a lot of him.
Nice job.
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Yeah, there's a lot of instant gratification in fanfiction. The relationship in World Under Siege definitely isn't healthy, I agree. But I think the fact that it is problematic is well acknowledged by Jane and the story itself. I think there's some leeway in fandom; though we understand that a couple wouldn't actually work in real life, fans still like to explore their dynamics. Especially because Loki straddles that line between villain and anti-villain across his appearances. It would be particularly difficult to redeem such a character, despite how attractive many people find him. When you pair that character type with someone like Jane, who isn't fooling herself about what Loki does but is still able to empathize with him, the effect can be very interesting, if not conventionally romantic. I still call that shipping, though it's different from the way someone might ship a more plausible couple.
I particularly enjoyed that part; I love it when Jane catches Loki off guard. Particularly when he attempts to frighten her and it backfires on him.
Thank you. ^_^
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Welcome. When a thing is good, it remainds good
Yes, I agree. Mostly of fics lack of realistic terms, in fact the biggest part just portrait Loki being involved in hopeless romantic stuff (and samething for Jane or any other character Loki gets paired, which is basically almost all the cast).
I also agree about Jane in this kind of stories, and perhaps it's because I find it far more appealing than JaneThor, although I also like LoTasha for example. The dinamics are way more interesting by far. And I also think Loki isn't a plain villan, even though he doesn't seek redeption because it's pointless for him. What I don't like about Loki's portraying in this fic is the fact he's an abuser in sexual terms. Certainly he's suffering a very big emotional break, and it doesn't help to be involved into a sane couple relationship... But there is a gap between that and being almost a raper. That's what I don't like.
It doesn't stop the fact this is one of the best and perhaps more realistic fics I've seen out there.
Those are my two cents.
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Yeah, I understand how sexually charged violence is hard to read for some (probably most) people. I totally respect your dislike of those aspects. I haven't read any LoTasha, but that sounds like it would be interesting! If you know of some good fics with that pairing, I'd love to take a look.
Our taste in fictional relationships may be a little different, but I really enjoyed this discussion.
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Welcome; as well I am. Those are nice words 
Yes, SCV is hard to deal with, but that's not what I exactly mean in this case; what I find incungruent is the fact of making Jane to fall for somebody that almost rape her; Jane may pits him, of course, but it doesn't mean a woman in her right mind would fall for somebody that almost kills her or rape her (except for Stocolm syndrome, but that's a special case). And on the other hand, I think that's OOC from Loki. Even if Loki suffers such emotional break, I cannot find him being a sexual harasher, or just a plain play-boy as many fans want to believe; that's a wrong fandom belief... The one that fitst that description is Fandral, and there are enough canon proofs for that. That's why I don't think Loki would asault Jane in that way.
LoTasha (or BlackFrost) is perhaps the only fanon couple that has some canon scenes. Till Thor2, Jane and Loki never met each other, but Loki and Tasha did meet on Avengers and we saw their interaction, so there are som canon proofs about a plausible relationship. Let's say there are two "fanon" families about this couple: a) the "fatal atraction" ---> Just any fic that involves some scene in the glass cell. b) The "we've things in comon"--->Loki learns to admire Tasha because she knows how to remain in her place in spite of everything as well her cunning mind. Tasha learns better about Loki because she finds he's quite similar to her. In certain ways it's similar to Lokane, but less "sweet".
(If you find this replies list is getting long, you may PM me
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If everyone agreed, fandom would be a lot less interesting. ^_^
Ooh, sorry for the misunderstanding, I see what you mean now. That's a valid interpretation. I personally didn't find that behavior out of character for a few reasons. For Jane, I think she's in a difficult situation; she has to interact with Loki in a meaningful way because she needs information in order to work against him. I think (though I may be mistaken) that there've been studies about how you begin to feel closer to people the more time you spend with them, especially the more you learn about them, even if you don't like them. Also, I don't think we have much control over who we're attracted to, though I doubt Jane would actually enter a relationship with someone violent or threatening. Like you mentioned, Stockholm may also be in effect -- I think Jane even mentions the syndrome at least once.
For Loki, I really don't know, as I only know his characters from the films and the only woman we see him being aggressive with in Natasha, which is obviously a very different situation. I think I accepted the idea of him being sexually violent specifically because Jane is Thor's girlfriend, and at the beginning at least I think Loki can only see her that way. I think his inferiority complex with Thor has more to do with that behavior than his eventual attraction to Jane. I don't see him as a womanizer, generally, though it's no surprise that his fanon interpretation sometimes swings that way. Also, if I'm remembering correctly, Ione began the story before Avengers was actually in theatres, and didn't get to see the movie until she'd gone a few chapters in, so I just accepted the differences between her version of Loki and the films' Loki for the sake of enjoying the story.
I'll have to look into LoTasha, I'd like to see those two interact more. Though it's hard to fathom how such accomplished manipulators would work together. Thanks for the rundown!
Eh, it can get long, I don't mind.
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Neither me, but this is a very interesting topic after all.
About Lotasha (or Blackfrost), the good point is there are canon events between then, so you can picture some real scenario for they both; the bad point is… I’m not sure how much accurate are the fics about that couple. Many of those just portrait Loki as a very hurt guy because events with Thanos, and Tasha lacks of her usual cunning ways. The most popular fic about that couple is “Syrgja” (there are some fanarts around this fic, too). Perhaps there are better fics about Lotasha out there, but I haven’t found any that I can tell it’s my personal favorite.
As for the initial topic, yes, that’ was what I meant to say. I cannot picture Jane falling for somebody that has been so abusive towards her in almost every minute they have passed together. Yes, she may understand him, pitting him, even eventually forgiving him and perhaps befriend him… but never getting involved in such auto destructive relationship. It does not stop the fact their scenes together are way too interesting (I’d dare to say they’re far more interesting than canon Jane/Thor scenes in canon), which is one of the reasons this fic is good.
As for Loki, yes, I understand the fandom dynamics (meaning every fandom around, not only this one), and how many fangirls get all crazy over their favorite male character… But it doesn’t stop the fact I find OOC seeing Loki bedding any guy-girl around in almost every fic I’ve come across. And of course, I cannot picture him being a Ladys-guy like that. There is none real proof of that in Moviverse Canon at all. However, I understand what you mean to say; Loki feels infuriated by Jane because she’s “Thor’s girlfriend”, “the Midgardian woman that changed him for better after he trying to make get some sense in the oaf’s head”… short off. So yes, he may be violent to her, but never abusive in that way because it doesn’t fit his personality. Still, I understand why Ione has portrayed him like that in this story. It makes better sense than other similar fics around.
I didn’t know Ione had started her story before the movie popped out. It also is determinant for the plot running… There are many alt-“Thor2”movies these days, too. And in this case, at least any Loki-Jane scene would have a real canon basis.
My points
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Thanks! I'll take a look at Syrgja.
It sounds like you've got a really solid interpretation of the characters. I'm very rarely bothered, even when I do find something OOC, as long as the fic is good. I think that's just a quirk of mine, though. I like seeing differing interpretations and contrasting them in my head, while letting the canon be it's own separate animal.
I'm really looking forward Loki and Jane's interaction in Thor 2. It's effect on the Lokane shippers will be fascinating to witness, no matter how it goes.
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Surel, go ahead. It's worthy to read, even if eventually it may not be a personal favorite of yours. And certainly enjoyable.
I guess my interpretation is solid in certain ways. Of course every individual has its own interpretation about the same issues; it happens constantly in life events. However, I cannot buy OOC... because it means the canon character isn't canon anymore, just somebody that wears its name and a wig with the same hairstyle. I cannot love a character than isn't the real character, except if there is a very good reason for being like that. Different interpretations is one thing, but OOC is another 
I understand many fans go to that side because the fandom dinamics, but in the same way, many fans feel infurated by that. (I speak in general terms). I find myself being "loyal to canon". And well, Ione's work is good, better than an avarage fic, although I may not agree with *everything*, but that's just me.
Yes, I also think so. Even if I'm not 100% Lokane shipper, their relationship is certainly fascinating, and the coming movie seems to show a lot of that. Which make us a happy fans. 
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