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Published: 2005-06-14 23:02:32 +0000 UTC; Views: 583; Favourites: 3; Downloads: 55
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I'll scrap this later, like Lilith!Again, drawing some ideas for characters. This one is an OC (er... if there is an angel of this name, I had no idea!). I hate typing his name though, I always make a mistake and it becomes Nathael or something (it's derived from Nathan
).Short bio: Nathael is an angel who works under Michael. He is one of the angels in charge of delivering the Souls of the Just to Heaven where they may finally live their second life in peace. After the gates of the demonic realm are opened once again by a possessed Myriel, Nathanael and his fellow Soul Keepers are overwhelmed with human spirits because blood-thirsty demons crawled back to the surface world. He is later on entrusted with a more important task (which I have not thought of yet), and so his story continues... ...
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Well, this is even less spectacular than Lilith, but I like the innocent feel of the character.
Again, I didn't spend time to clean this up in Photoshop, which explains how messed up and dark the paper is. I added a bit of effects in PS though, to make it look neat and all.
CRITIQUES ARE WANTED O_O WANTED!!! ESPECIALLY FROM THOSE WHO NEVER CRITIQUE, EVER! Take this as a sort of... practice session or something. NO MINDLESS GUSHING! DON'T SAY THE FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MIND! I want anything from anatomy crits to comments on the design + things I can improve on (on this last part, basically give me your opinion, k?) Review on Critiquing can be found here: [link] ; Art of Commenting can be found here: [link]
And, if anyone wants to give a shot at inking this for practice, note me.
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Approximate time: 1-2 hours
Medium: HB pencil, (Photoshop)
Music: Dragon Ball Z - Hikari no Will Power [I LOVE THIS SONG!!! but I wish I had a 128 KBPS or more version -_-]
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Enjoy and crit away!
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Argh...the comment box is WAAAAY down here and the picture is waaaay up there. 
First...ZOMG! What's that in his pants!?? Random floaty article of clothing I suppose...I guess I stuff the underwear I steal in my back pockets too. :b0x0rs: 
really, first off, the detail on your sketches is always amazing and so refined looking. You even go in and SHADE before anything. (I just skip to the inking and shade later XD) According to other critiques, most of the body points have already been covered to an extent. So, I'm going to attack the wings. ^_^
They don't look like natural wings, even for an angel. The wings are missing a joint. (KInd of like an arm without an elbow) Generally speaking, even in most anime, the wings tend to keep the anatomy of a birds wing. You can actually pose a wing by looking at your own arm. Your shoulder is where the wing connects to the body, theres a bend in the elbow, and your wrist is the other joint. Your fingers are like the flight feathers. Umm...if that's unclear think of a bat wing. It looks like a hand too.
[link] <---Here's a better explanation. 
That's all for now.
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I hope that me shredding your images is a good thing... >_>
Yeah, I know there's so many flaws in the wings. I didn't pay much attention to doing them, and they seriously look like a low quality version of what I usually do (actually, they are). Since it was merely for design, I didn't work on them too long
I don't shade before inking though XD This is an exception to what I normally do since.. it was never meant to be finished!
Oh, those aren't floating underwear! It's just a random floaty cloth I found intriguing and attached to his waist, or something.
Thanks for the pointers
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all right, i will "play" with the quality tonight so if i get it to work right i will send it to you tomorrow, if not then i will try to send it by at least friday.
oh and glad i could be of help.
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hmm. Nathanael
derived from the hebrew name Nethane'el, which ment "God has given", Nathanael isn't really derived from Nathan nor Nathan from Nathanael, it is more like they share a common link with the hebrew word for gift or given or something like that.
(i have a stupid hobby of finding the meaning behind names plus my youngest brother is named Nathanael)
****the critique**** well a quick critique (chem in 9 minutes an i got a good 12 min walk)
i can tell this isn't to the same level of completion as a lot of your other sketches so i won't say much, just what stands out.
the waist could stand to be a little larger, and i know the long slender legs thing is more your style but they are slightly thinner then you usually do them.
the wings look a little rushed, but nothing too bad.
****Hikari no will power****
Hey i have that song on a mix cd somewhere. mine was downloaded a while back, before people started getting sued. and it sounds like a live recording from a concert or something. i don't know the kbps off hand but i do know i can up the quality. (got to love Soundtrack and iTunes)
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I'm gonna reply to the Hikari no Will Power thing first because uh... because I can't help it: Send it to me Send it to me! SEND IT TO ME PLEASE! Ok, well, that's done 
I never knew Nethane'el, I just liked Nathan and added something to it. It made me think of Alexiel from Angel Sanctuary... Alex+-iel=Alexiel! I'm so smart!!! Ok, whatever XD Y'know.. you can help me come up with OC names!!! Oh my God!
Ok, more seriously now... Yes, it's much less complex than most other things I've done. Glad you noticed
About the thinness of the legs, I'm heading for an even skinnier look! Ugh, we'll see how it ends up.
Ah, the wings were rushed. That's why they're so ugly and goofy. I don't usually do anything like this for stuff I'm serious about though, so no worries. I'm not sacrificing quality!
Thanks for the crit and info!
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The only problem that I can find is...The legs. It's the left leg...It could use more shape. In my opinion.
It's really nice. Better than anything i could ever draw! ^^
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You're probably right about the left leg. I usually don't put much shape into guy legs because I draw really thin guys (unles they're suppose to be bulky).
I'm glad you like it, but rather than saying that this is better than what you can do, wouldn't it be better to practice and surpass me?
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CRITIQUES ARE WANTED O_O WANTED!!! ESPECIALLY FROM THOSE WHO NEVER CRITIQUE, EVER! Take this as a sort of... practice session or something. NO MINDLESS GUSHING! DON'T SAY THE FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MIND!
Whoa... Want to put that CnC guide you wrote to test eh? I haven't finished reading 'em yet
I'll just stick to my blunt and frank style for now.
You're still stubbornly drawing long legs. If you're purposely exaggerating the proportions, you have to at least make it believable. It needs some curves, some volume. The leg is not just a straight cylinder. The arms are just too long (when left at the sides, will only go as far as just below the crotch) and the hands need to be refined. The shoulder width does not correspond with the hips, it looks like you wanted to show that the torso is twisting to the side but it looks more like the lower torso never even had enough volume in the first place. My eyes perceive it to be just as narrow as the head. And finally, the wings: I think you've drawn better wings before Ikeda. The feathers don't just jut out randomly, there's an order to nature that we can study.
I might sound very harsh this time because I definitely think you really could have done a lot better than this.
Now, I will go and finish reading that guide you wrote and see if I did it right
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Actually, I left that note on the concept for Lilith image as well 
For the general body, I'm heading for a really thin structure, which explains that the legs look a bit like cylinders. Think of Kazuki Takahashi (Yu-Gi-Oh)or CLAMP's (later volumes of X) styles, which have inspired me a lot. Although their style isn't realistic, it's the way they view the human body.
To make up for the lack of curviness in the legs, I can only say that he's not that muscular and that his pants don't stick to his body. Despite the excuses, I'll keep in mind what you said.
Actually, I've seen a few guys who have their hands dangling at mid(or third of)-thigh. I remember that well because I was really happy that not all guys had arms as long as my 9th grade French teacher (his only went below the crotch like you mentionned). It really depends on how people are shaped. Some people have a long upper body, and others have long lower bodies. My hands reach the middle of my thighs, but other girls have hands that only go beneath their buttocks (because uh.. they have large buttocks).
I agree with the hands. I had originally darkened the finger lines, but I guess they got smudged in the process.
All of his body is slightly turned towards the viewer's left actually. I don't quite understand what you mean about the shoulder and hip width. For guys, the the shoulders are suppose to be larger than the hips o_O
The wings I slacked off on, so you can blame me for those all day
I don't mind the harshness, but just keep in mind that the serie of pencil drawings I'm doing right now are all meant for character creation and design, which means I'll put less effort into them than into my real projects!
Oh, and the guide is only meant to be used for tips and help to critiquing. Give me feedback on it when you're done with it.
By the way, I think that separating your critique into paragraphs would make it easier to read through. Although it can work as it is, I think that dividing it would make it easier to read since for some things you present quite a long point.
Thanks for the crit!
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If I segregated it into paragraphs you'll notice that my gripes are mostly one liners
Guess I don't put much "body" to my crit then eh?
About the torso, I understand that it is turned towards the viewer, it's just that even so there's an impression that the hips are only about 1 face wide. If I remember it right, they're supposed to be about almost 2 heads wide (for males). Even with foreshoretening in mind I think the hips are just too narrow.
I was nitpickin' on the legs because even with very long not and so muscular legs it can be very elegant (like how Elastigirl's legs are impossibly curved). Though I suspect that may make your character look like he has legs borrowed from Marvel comics. Maybe I should look for some manga refs where the character's legs aren't cylindrical or muscular for good measure. I'm sure I was that style somewhere. Anyway, with loose pants on (now examining own legs) I can say I guess you're right about it but I notice that the thighs should be more pronounced (or that I have abnormally large thighs for a skinny person).
There, I tried to separate them
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Thanks for separating
I'll work a bit more on the torso area. I guess I don't concentrate on full body shots enough
(Elastigirl has uh... an irregularly huge butt and huge head, so she isn't that proportional to begin with XD and... most of the recent Marvel superhero women frighten me because of their huge muscles or muscular look... *nervous laugh*)
Oh, and the hips probably are too thin. A lot of skinny people have more obvious hips because of... bone structure? Something like that.
Thanks for adding to some points.
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You're welcome. Elastigirl's obvious dispropotionateness is an example of how you can exaggerate certain features and make em' look good. Some may find it freaky while some may perceive it to look (almost) natural.
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( Psss! Really, reado it! I'll critic then
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Wha...?? o_o Yue-Yue, are you spamming my deviation!?
Next time, note me
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I'm not spamming, it just sounded like it was going to look so rude if noted! I needed a window, and found it here. ¬_¬;;
I also had planned to critic later in this same tread XD sorry
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I dunno... his legs are bugging me. Then again-- that could be your style. The hands look a little stiff too-- maybe, since they look like they're holding something, they should be more relaxed? ^.^;; I'm really not good at critiquing... Also, the wings bug me too. maybe you should try looking at bird's wings (like I should be talking... >.> <.<
Overall, nice angel dude. ^__^ I really like his face to be honest.
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You never told me why the things that bug you... bug you
The hands aren't exactly holding the ball though. It's floating slightly above them. I haven't really noticed that they're stiff though, but that's just me. Maybe it's because the fingers aren't showing clearly enough.
I really slacked off on the wings on this one. I must admit that I didn't work hard on this pic. It was just to get out a general look for Nathanael. The wing shape depends on the kind of wings you draw, I think. It's linked to whether you want them to look like realistic bird wings or modify them to develop them in your own style. But, you're absolutely correct about the wings. They're flawed.
Your try wasn't so bad
Thanks!
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hey, I really like your faces and hair you put in good highlights in that make the hair look 3D. But something looks wierd to me with his arms and legs. It kinda looks like his right arm is thicker than his left but since its further back should be just a lil smaller than the forground. It also looks like his arm pit is started a lil high (left arm) I know he has his shoulders shruged so maybe im wrong. and his legs are a lil long and maybe angled wierd. by the way his name is good since an archangel's name always end in el. does the ball glow?
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Glad you liked the face and hair first of all!
You're right about the arms. The right one does look more thick, possibly because of the heavier line weight, but that's no excuse.
I checked in the mirror to make sure the armpit is higher when the shoulders are elevated, and it is the case. When your shoulder is higher than normal, your armpit also seems that way
Thanks for picking up the first point!
Although his name ends in '-el', he won't be an Archangel. I'll just be throwing him into the batch of lowest ranking angels for now XD
The ball is a soul, and uh.. it's suppose to glow I guess, but I'm not good at interpreting that with pencils yet.
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....yeah later that night I spent alot of time trying to see if was wrong...I was 
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Hey, you're right about the soul thing! I hadn't thought about it
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yeah... Im the same way. It's easier to see the faults in others than it is to see the faults of yourself. For the soul I think you have it too dark. I did a search in google images for dragonball Z and looked at how they do there energy attacks. I think yours might look better if you ereased all the center so you can't see whats behind it at all and if you lightend and blended the outer rim of the soul with the background a lil. I just think the lines are too well defined to be light emitting...they should be kinda blured...or so says me...I could be wrong
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Good idea, I mostly concentrated on making it stand out. Hence the darker colors. I'll erase the center the next time I draw something like this in pencil
Thanks for the suggestion!
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...I spelt bright wrong....and some other stuff.....wish I would see it before I click on the "submit" button.
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Well you wanted some critique so.... I think most of the body proportions are very good, however the legs seem a little long. Other than that I think it's a really great pic and.... what's that thing attached to his waist? It's sorta hard to see what it is.
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Yeah, you're right about the legs. I have a tendancy to make them long
The thing attached to his waist is a random cloth
Thanks for the crit!
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