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I was bored...and I haven't used my tablet in awhile. I'm in a traditional phase at the moment and I still am.Either way I just wanted something to post...so here's Mike from Bittersweet Candy Bowl. Damn I feel like I lost some of masculinity just saying the name of that comic but I don't care. It's an addicting comic and I love it >|C
Somewhat spoiler material...
Anyway, yeah. Everyone seems to hate Mike right now. He's the main character too. Why do you all hate Mike? Is it cause he won't take Lucy?
Well maybe it's cause he already has Sandy (despite it being long distance) and maybe Lucy really HAS treated him like crap all his life D|<. I will say he isn't handling the situation well but STILL.
So yeah, I feel bad for Mike. He's one of my favorite characters.
Mike and BSCB (c)
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I don't.
He messed up bad but he reacted out of anger and said stuff I don't think he meant to (or should have) said.
i haven't kept up with the comic in years though I don't honestly know what's become of him at this point
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Ahaha, bear in mind I drew this before he had his big freakout at Lucy and told her he hated her.
I still don't hate him though. I hate what he did but people are very complicated creatures.
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ah well you know im a rather big fan of lucy as so i have a rather biased attitude
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True true
I was always big fan of Mike back when I started reading. It was just a shame to watch him go down this path
He's at least aware of his mistakes now and is showing remorse though so I'll give him that
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i care very little for his remorse its his actions that matter
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Remorse can lead to action though. So we'll see where that goes.
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He lost my sympathy when he emotionally destroyed Lucy to the point of her vomiting (and later attempting suicide, it seems), responded to apology and admission of guilt (via phone text) with a self-pitying "So I'M the bad guy?", mused that it would be easier if Lucy died, had to have Sandy slap him to stop being an asshole, and did it all after Lucy had technically already reformed and stopped being a jerk to him, making his accusations rather moot.
Mike was one of my favorite characters up to his crossing to the Dark Side, and now that he's officially come face to face with his dickishness and seems to be taking responsibility his actions, he has my sympathy and understanding again (and Lucy herself DOES have responsibility in bringing Mike to this state), but as I see it, being treated like crap is not justification enough to go Hannibal Lecter on someone who's already saying sorry, and who Mike KNOWS to be not well psychologically.
TL
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Oh yeah.
I drew this before that all went down.
I still like him though. I think what he did was horribly wrong but I'm glad to see him starting to own up to his mistake (though I haven't actually read the recent chapter).
He did push way too hard though you're right.
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Don't get me wrong; Mike/Lucy remains my preferred ship for all the water it's taken on (though Paulo/Lucy looks better with each chapter), and I empathize with Mike a lot, but empathy or not, having a reason does not mean having an excuse, and he very well deserved every ounce of crap he's gotten for what he pulled. Of course, with his recent epiphany, I find him likable (or at least redeemable) once more, and I await a reconciliation between him and Lucy (though the actual ship is almost certainly long gone at this point).
As for the latest chapter: without giving away too much, the recent chapter has Mike (ostensibly) do away with the last of his justifications and "not my fault" excuses and confront his mistakes (via getting completely hammered), not to mention some degree of reconciliation between him and Paulo. Unfortunately, some OTHER relationships seem to be sprouting cracks in their foundations... All in all, a very interesting chapter, now finished, that I recommend you catch up on and read.
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Oh I agree.
Reasons don't mean excuses of course. At this point, any crap he takes is pretty justified.
I just have a tendency to see all sides of a situation and people are always very complicated.
The chances of a romance between them...seems very VERY unlikely at this point though yeah. I dunno where that'll end up at this point. That's entirely up to Taeshi. Though if she plans on them getting together before this is over, she'd have to really make it believable that it could work.
I'd be happy if the series ends with them all just being close friends again like the beginning of the comic or something.
Yeah I'll have to get back on that.
I'm happy to know she actually wrote a chapter that isn't filler this time. Honestly I've been getting really tired of all the filler chapters as much as I enjoy the comic.
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I imagine it would take a VERY good many chapters of well-written dialogue to bring back the ship at this point. Then again, it is a well-written comic. I'll settle with Paulo/Lucy if it comes to that, though. Just some all-around return to friendship would be nice.
I'm afraid after Happy Hour is another two chapters of filler, though, although the second chapter is worth it for the hilarious premise alone. After that, the story resumes, though. Also, only two chapters after Breaking Up really count as filler, and while Critical Hit wasn't quite amazing, Safe Boundaries was great.
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Mostly likely yeah.
I suppose, I just feel like all the recent chapters have been a bit rocky. I read through a couple of them a few weeks back and just felt like I was being thrown around from ridiculous humor to intense melodrama.
I mean I guess that's what the comic is like but it just felt like it shifted everywhere in the last chapters where it's usually more focused and balanced.
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I get what you mean, though with Lucy (hopefully temporarily) out of the picture, they can't spend their entire life after grieving and angsting. Just like in real life after personal losses, life moves on.
As it is, given how utterly bleak the comic got from December to Breaking Up, I welcome some comedy and levity. And if you haven't started Happy Hour yet, rest assured: they haven't forgotten; they're just trying to keep up some positivity.
There is some real life context, though. Things have been rocky and hectic for Taeshi and Suitcase for the past year or so; I understand if they're a bit distracted.
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Exactly. Eventually they're going to move on.
Just seems kind of odd to cut out one of the two MAIN characters forever so I'm sure she'll bring her back at some point.
Yeah I can understand that. I guess it's just that it's taken so long to get to this point.
True that. I'm not going to fault them for it either way, not every part of every story is going to be perfect or anything either *shrug*
Especially considering the circumstances.
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It never seemed to me like she'd be gone forever. That being said, the REAL question is how things go when she returns, or if she and Mike meet again. Will Mike lose it and go into super-apology-guilt mode? Will Lucy return with a cold attitude towards Mike. Will both these happen, causing the dynamic between them to reverse a SECOND time? Or will there be mutual apologies for their respective parts in the entire cock-up, followed by them falling back into their former platonic moiralligence (for lack of a better word)?
If the last option happens, I could actually see BOTH of them falling into the background over time, since with their issues resolved it would leave the spotlight for the now-erupting Abbey/Daisy and Paulo/Every Female drama. Instead of being the leads, they could be the comic's "Those Two Guys" to everyone else's Soap Opera shenanigans. After all, Paulo's certainly overtaken screentime since the comic began, and definitely since the soft reboot at Volume 2. I myself wouldn't mind that route being taken, provided it's gradual enough.
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Yeah there's so many questions on how it'll work out.
I basically just hope in the end that it all works out well. It'd be a shame for the comic to end with the two main characters who were once best friends, hating each other.
(ahaha moiralligence. Basically what it was yeah)
Yeeah right?
Oh man though, it just seems neverending. I know she plans on ending the comic at some point so she's got a lot of loose ends to tie up with this.
Also the Abbey/Daisy thing upsets me. He was one of my favorites for a while but lately he's just turning into a jealous butt while Daisy is having issues letting go of past crushes :I
Ah well though. So it goes. High school romances are never perfect and often never even last.
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I was actually largely sympathizing with Abbey here. It doesn't help that Daisy's method of coping or facing her issues seems to be flat out distracting herself with other people's romantic woes. Daisy's never struck me as mean-spirited or even selfish, but myopic and unaware of her own action's consequences. Not to the degree of Mike's own myopia, but it's still there. She also has something of a issue with being thought of as "little"or "young;" there was her (thankfully brief) skanky phase, the whole condom shenanigan, and her own drunk proposition to Abbey at the party.
And regarding the eventual end of the comic, I noticed that before New Year's Day the end was listed as "Sometime in 2014." Now, it's (paraphrasing) "Hell if we know." Not that I'm complaining. I somewhat panicked when catching up to the Gigapause, or finishing Ruby Quest (or was it the lack of resolution in both that cause that?).
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Oh yeah I mean I sympathize with Abbey but he better watch it or he'll drive her away. It's like when she was helping Paulo with his work and he was all like "HEY DAISY" and basically pulled her away for next to no reason. He needs to trust her a little at least. Not be too paranoid.
But yeah I see what you mean about her. She's one of the nicest character in the comic even, just does things she doesn't mean to do a lot.
Yeah I'm not complaining too much either. Though in a way it'll be nice when it ends and we get some resolution. I tend to like stories that actually HAVE an end so you're not forever stuck on it. Also it runs the risk of getting to stale or hitting a lot of low points (which has happened in BCB among other comics).
The Gigapause in HS is just making me panicky cause I want him to finish. He stopped at a bad cliffhanger 8I ;;
And Ruby Quest, eh. It could've ended better, could've ended worse. I'm more worried about NanQuest now. He needs to finish that one. There's so many unanswered questions and it's so interesting
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Abbey would probably be nicer to Paulo if Paulo was nicer to him. Paulo's like Daisy, except replace the sugar with cheekiness and "accidentally selfish" to "accidentally dickish."
I actually liked the ending to Ruby Quest. Admittedly I myself am the type to prefer a long. drawn out and completely elaborated conclusion (or at least completely elaborated climax), but given the way the story was told and the MANY ways it could have ended badly, I think it was fine. Ruby and Tom escaped with another subject, they got together (I'm a hopeless shipper), neither of them seem to be psychotically violent anymore (though the Subject 6 bombshell scared me for a brief moment), and according to the post-ending interview, CJOPAE doesn't seem to be going anywhere. As far as cosmic horror stories go, that's downright Disney levels of happy ending. Hopefully Daisy is successful as well.
As for Nan Quest, I've only just started it this morning. How long does it usually go between updates, and how long has it been since the last update?
As for Homestuck, I'm more worried about the fandom disbanding before the Gigapuse ends than the Pause itself. How can we expect to beat Cascade in breaking the Internet if the fans are unfaithful?
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Ahaha yeah I suppose but even still. It's not just about Paulo in this case I think. It has more to do with him being paranoid. I mean I side with every character in some ways and not in other ways. It's great how she gives them all such an equal amount of flaws and virtues in their personalities. Enough where it's hard to really side with any particular character I think.
Yeah it was satisfying but didn't explain much either. That could be a good thing though of course.
CJOPAE?
Nan Quest is excellent it's just that his updates are so few and far between. The last one was in August it looks like. They tend to go months.
Oh I don't think that'll happen honestly. The Homestuck fans are pretty dedicated, I'm sure most of them'll still be around when the Gigapause ends. I think he's going to probably have it done in a year or so. I'm guessing. I mean I don't know much about how much work he's got done already but yeah.
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Sympathy and empathy for every character is what makes BCB such a well written story. Now, if only the fanbase would stop drawing up battle lines. It's WW1 in the comment sections.
CJOPAZE, AKA PEROGA, AKA The Barbed Wheel, resident Eldritch Horror at the Glen and Big Bad of Ruby Quest. All clues indicate that either by choice or inability, he's trapped in the Glen by the end of Ruby Quest. Also, it really pays to look into the threads for extra information, particularly the interview with Weaver and the post-game discussion; it (mostly) clears up a most of the loose threads (at least, it did for me).
As of typing this, I have read through Nan Quest, read through Dive Quest and have just started on Knight Blades. First off: I blame you for addicting me to all of these; I first learned of Ruby Quest through a picture of Red on the related links for one of your drawings, at which point I looked it up on Tv Tropes and gave it a whirl. Since then, I have ceased all artistic productivity in favor of reading Weaver's works. Second: WHY WON'T HE UPDATE? THE WAIT IS TORTUROUS.
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Exactly! I've even managed to apply that to reality. I tend not to take sides too much. I mean with the exception of certain situations and people but generally I try my best to stay out of one side or the other and if someone wants to complain to me, I'll just listen.
Fans are psychos I tell you. There shouldn't be so much arguing over a cat about cute cats and dogs in high school with relationship problems. It's really not that big a deal.
Ah well.
Oh oh right!
I never really spent too much time reading those I guess. You got links to some of the good threads to read up about that?
Hahaha oh man XDDD
They're very addicting. I love his quests. Dive Quest is actually my personal favorite because I love the characters so much. Nan Quest is a close second.
Knight Blades though, is actually his friend Reaver. Careful with that one unless you don't mind some NSFW stuff. It gets a little nasty at times.
But yeah he's been awful about updates lately. I've given up for the time being and just decided to let it play out and come back in a year or two to see what he's done with them. It's really bothersome with Nan Quest cause that one's non-stop action. Dive Quest is in the middle of something but we don't even know what the overall Big Bad is. He could end that one after this thread and it wouldn't be too big a cliffhanger. It would still suck though.
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Update: AND THEN THERE'S INCEST.
WHY.
WHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHY-
(30 minutes later)
...THE CROSSOVER BETTER BE WORTH IT.
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Ehehe yeeeah that uh...that scene.
I was a bit caught off guard by it. I mean at least it wasn't "intentional" per se, but still, it was a little much.
It made me happy to see what happened between the two of them anyway
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The Weaver interview is here: suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com…
As for Knight Blades, I knew it was Weaver's friend Reaver going in, and Tv Tropes' page image more or less made me expect the sort of things I would see, but being about halfway through: JESUS H. CHRIST. At this point, I'm honestly only reading to know what happens when Muschio comes over to Ridder's base. Seriously though, why must Hussie and Weaver both be on indefinite hiatus right when I start reading?
...And can they do a collab? 'Cause that would be the SHIZ.
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Ahaha thankyou thankyou. I will read through it later UvU
Yeeeah it's pretty uh...dirty. I apologize for that.
I loved it mostly cause of Ridder and when the characters do meet. I just wish Reaver kept writing it. It ended, but the ending just seemed like it could've gone on.
Either way yeah I don't know what's up with Weaver, srsly. I think he's got several projects going at once so that's the problem. Hussie at least we know is finishing Homestuck up so we can read the entire ending at once XD
Hussie and Weaver? Lordy I would cry. That would be a hell of a comic
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Well, I finished it.
...
I don't think the ending was worth the Brain Bleach.
Also, it irritates me that Ridder takes all of five minutes to go from "HAIL LORD MALTO" to "Eh, he needed to go" thanks to his mother's League of Shadows logic. I don't care if it IS his mother; her motives are shit.
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Ahaha yeah I'm sorry.
The ending wasn't that satisfying really.
Dive Quest is much better either way.
I'd have to re-read Knight Blades again though to remember everything that happened even (the important parts I mean)
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Well, at least I'm fully caught up. With what is likely to be the last of what Weaver ever posts-WHOOPS DID I SAY THAT OUT LOUD.
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Hahah right?
I'm just trying to ignore it for a while and hoping he'll work on it later
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TL : DR. Thanks for undermining the rant about fictional cats, DeviantAt.
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I don't even read the comic, but my friend talked to me about it, and I actually side with Mike AND I NEED TO GET THIS OUT OF MY SYSTEM.
He can't control who he loves and who he doesn't love, and Lucy needs to grow up and understand that. Yes, completely blowing off at her was harsh, but he's probably been keeping anger cooped up inside of him since their childhood, if she was mean to him. For the line that someone mentioned; 'can you really love someone miles away more than someone standing right in front of you?' WHAT THE HELL IS HE MEANT TO SAY TO THAT?? That question was an intentional backing him into a corner that either way is going to hurt Lucy-saying yes would hurt her, and saying no would lead her on and eventually hurt her even more. And it would make sense if Lucy knew this too.
Honestly, I'm on Mike's side, even if I don't read the comic. I don't get why everyone hates him so much.
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Exactly.
He overreacted to the whole thing but seriously, all the pent up anger over the years, in some ways I'm not surprised.
She really did give him a bad question there. She did things like that multiple times until he finally snapped and decided to leave her alone. I always kinda side with both cause I know how unstable she is but at the same time he can't just look out for her his entire life. He has his own life.
But yeah he can't control who he's in love with and if he doesn't have feeling for Lucy then he doesn't. That's that. It sucks for her but he can't force himself to fall in love with someone and to fall out of love with someone else. Makes no sense.
She's just a psychologically messed up girl. I feel for her but at the same time I feel for Mike just as much.
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You're life? ow0
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We all think that. well most of us do. There are a lot of LucyxMike shippers and you are being a total jerkface and what have you. I agree with the artist, but seriously. Look out.
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It's funny how I manage to side with both sides.
I guess I just see everything from everyone's point of view
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Mike has a lot to deal with at least form fans. I don't hate him at all, but what I don't get is how you can know somebody so long and not, at least, want to be friends but know he says "I HATE YOU" and "Angry eyes" and stuff.
But that just goes to show you that if the comic gets this kind of emotional response it is really doing its job!
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That's for sure.
OH I agree with you. I honestly can't begin to understand Mike's reaction and I think he's being a complete jerk. Sandy's kind of changed him for the worse that's for sure.
I know right? It certainly does a good job. That last chapter actually...kind of left me feeling a little depressed :I
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Well at least I'm a hold out for PauloxLucy but that's just after Chapter 59!
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dont worry i feel exactly the same. except i know its true.
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because your an idiot thats destroying your real friendships over someoe you should of forgotten years ago...
..idiot.
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Hrmmm, I don't want to argue but at the same time, having feelings for someone isn't something you can control really.
But I'm the kind of guy who likes to see things from everyone's point of view. That's why I still like Mike.
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well not everyone has my expiriances... he'd be better off with lucy than whining over sandy... i see it from their' points of view, and i also see it from my point of view... i'd rather not try to explain... but.. he'll be happier if he gives sandy up as soon as possable..
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Well I can understand if you're referring to the fact that it's long-distance. I've had that experience too.
At the same time sometimes you just can't help it. Although I do agree. I honestly think he'd be better off without her too. She causes a lot of grief, though unintentionally I'm sure.
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