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Timon-Berkowitz In reply to FoxWolfie [2017-08-18 17:53:57 +0000 UTC]

lol
I remembered watching this scene as a little boy from Ren and Stimpy.  Ever seen the episode Big Baby Scam?

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FoxWolfie In reply to Timon-Berkowitz [2017-08-18 20:12:00 +0000 UTC]

No.  I've only seen one full episode of Ren and Stimpy. It was way back when it first appeared, and one of the characters said mentioned farting, as bubbles rose in the bathtub.  It might have been the first episode.  I remember because people were so shocked to hear the word fart from a toon character on TV, that it ended up in the news.

I haven't subscribed to cable for most of my life, so I haven't seen a great deal of the things people mention.

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Timon-Berkowitz In reply to FoxWolfie [2017-08-20 07:58:31 +0000 UTC]

Yeah well the show was easy enough to find on DVD sometimes VHS.

The series was considered beyond legendary.  They even in the 2000s made a fully adult ren and stimpy cartoon.

However, at the same time, after years of watching it, Ive grown to find it less and less amazing and the legendary status of its creator John K loos less deserved.  He knows quite a bit about animation its true, but he really is an old bitchy man who hates new things and likes to pretend hes super cool and flirts with the women.  He rants all elitist about how he hates Simpsons and the Tiny Toons claiming them to be junk animation, but he has an immense soft spot for the garbage Hanna Barbera cartoons of the 70's

Hes also a dude in his 50's who collects massive ammounts of vintage toys.  While im not necessarily opposed to that obviously.  It seems a lot less cool to be an adult into toys if you also are a loud mouthed bitching ass who goes on and on being a snob and posturing so tough guy like.

Ive heard him in interviews talk about his very harsh and boorish dad knocking him around a lot as a young hippie kid.  But he seems to romanticize it, loving how bully-like his dad was.

I think the best parts of ren and stimpy are actually some of the ideas generated by the supporting animation staff.  The same can be said for shows like Mystery Science Theatre 3000, Invader Zim, and The Simpsons.  Their creators are in reality not what made the show so good so much as it was the staffers who worked on it

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FoxWolfie In reply to Timon-Berkowitz [2017-08-21 00:37:38 +0000 UTC]

So many more shows I never saw, or didn't see when they originally aired. My city didn't even get a FOX affiliate until the late '90s, and we never had a Paramount or WB station here either. We did eventually get CW, but by then any of the good shows were done and gone.

Now we are finally getting things I like to see, thanks to over-the-air channels like MeTV, Comet TV, Antenna TV, Cozi TV, etc, that started popping up in the past year or two.  Maybe those have been around longer in larger cities, but it's all new to people in my area.

I know there's DVD sets, and stuff like that, but for people with little to no money like myself, if something isn't available over the air for free, it's likely that I won't see much of it.  I can sample stuff on YouTube, but it's far from my preferred way to watch something.  Even if I had cable, I'd still rather watch over-the-air TV.  Cable has far more ads. Cable talks over the end credits of shows, if they bother to show them at all. Cable favors mainly new stuff that I simply don't like.  I prefer things like classic Flintstones, Munsters, Kimba, It's About Time, StarLost, My favorite Martian, Outer Limits, Gilligan's Island, Patty Duke Show, Wonderful World of Disney, Six Million Dollar Man, Knight Rider, Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek, Yogi Bear, Land of the Lost, Bugs Bunny/RaodRunner Hour, etc.  I don't even care for most stuff made in the past 25 years.  Sure, there are a few good ones that are newer, but so very few of them.  Shows like TaleSpin, Goof Troop, Franklin, Little Bear, Tiny Toons and Animaniacs come to mind.

I did see the Simpsons, though only a half dozen episodes in my life.  I just never got into it enough to become addicted.  I saw one episode of Invader Zim and didn't see any value in it at all, other than the green Gir character looked kind of cute. As for Mystery Science Theater, I'd much rather watch those movies in their original form without having them talked over.  That just ruins the movies for me.

Sadly, almost every show for kids in the past 25 years has depended on being crude and rude to get viewers. It doesn't offend me in the least, but after you hear the same lame fart jokes over and over, you realize the shows have nearly zero creativity.  Can they even make a modern cartoon that has a plot that last for more than two minutes any more?  Remember shows like TaleSpin - where there was actually a real story and plot for each episode, instead of going from one mindless fart joke to the next?

Whenever I an visiting someone with cable TV, I am reminded how far down the hole most modern shows have gone.  And then, you have to sit through 19 minutes of obnoxious ads per hour, and pay for the service, to even watch the inferior content.  Let's just say that if I had never seen an episode of Ren & Stimpy, I wouldn't have missed anything of value. Maybe it was legendary, but only in the sense that a 40-second-long burp is, to a 13-year-old!

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Timon-Berkowitz In reply to FoxWolfie [2017-08-21 02:37:36 +0000 UTC]

Invader Zim was very funny and it was full of creative sci-fi visuals  Lots of character driven humor.

There also was the newer show The Misadventures of Flapjack.  Which LOOKS like a shitty modern cartoon, but its got a lot of funny reaction jokes, funny drawings, clever settings, and lead by a very unique male lead whose super precocious and happy to everybody he meets.  Flapjack himself is totally a character pulled from an 80's child pampering cartoon.  And then plopped down among modern coarse and crude characters.  It has lots of scatological gross humor, but always Flapjack ends off the cartoons with hugs and kisses and making friends with everyone.  There even is an episode where someone makes fun of him for being obsessed with cuddling. and at the end a big whale teaches him how special he is for being such a 'cuddlebug'.  XD

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FoxWolfie In reply to Timon-Berkowitz [2017-08-21 07:55:53 +0000 UTC]

I never heard of Flapjack, so I'll look that one up on YouTube.    I don't mind characters being crude once in a while.  I just don't like when that's the total extent of the character, and there's literally nothing else to them.  I guess another thing I don't like that is very common in modern cartoons is the horrible quality to the animation itself. It's like cheap flash videos made by ten-year-olds, only without the imagination of a ten-year-old!  I miss the quality drawn animation, like what Disney used to do.

I used to enjoy the original Care Bears, Capitol Critters, Raccoons, Kissyfur, Blibky Bill, Redwall, and such, but it seems as if modern cartoons can't maintain enough direction to sustain even a half hour story any more.

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