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Published: 2018-11-16 05:51:23 +0000 UTC; Views: 3639; Favourites: 31; Downloads: 1
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I notice this is what socialist programs often devolve into.
Public school- I know jack shit about how your kid learns but with enough money I know how to teach him!
War on Poverty- I know jack shit about why that guy is poor, but if I give him money and it'll work out!
Health Care- I know Jack shit about medicine or that guy over there, but give me money so I can say what treatment he gets
Money isn't magic. Solving people's problems take times, care and often expertise, which generally cannot be gained from afar. I'm all for community assistance- community is a small group, which can ask larger groups for assistance- a community is not 300,000,000 people.
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Socialism: you may vote your way into it, but you'll have to shoot your way out of it.
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I don't know what point you are trying to make here but I think you are missing the point of socialism. Socialism is about having a fair and equal society where everyone is treated like humans. Healthcare and education is free instead of having to pay hoards of money just for much needed treatment etc.
What you describe about giving money for these things is capitalism and is what is happening in America already. It happens here also for universities.
In a socialist society, healthcare and universities are free, railways are nationalised, people are treated like people, the disabled aren't treated like shit, and so on.
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We're not talking about the ideals of a system- then I could just fire back with, "Don't you believe in just compensation? That's what capitalism is about." which would be meaningless as we both know things are more complicated than that.
Socialism tends to accomplish its distribution of "free" stuff via the redistribution of the medium of exchange (I suppose this is because manually distributing material goods would prove ridiculously impractical), ie- money. However, when the rubber meets the road, wealth is not infinite, you can't just give people whatever they ask for. The basic idea then becomes to give people what they "need" and that's when complications come about. Under capitalism people have their own capital to determine which of their desires and needs are met and how by themselves, socialism someone else does it for you. A someone else who, best case scenario, is the same color or gender as you and assumes based on that that they know jack shit about your life circumstances- but let's be fair, in practice those kinds of differences are immaterial. A white politician from New York doesn't tend to know much about what faces someone living in the boonies.
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Saying I once heard - "You got two things going for you: Jack and Shit. Jack already left town."
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(Gonna get flack for this, but it's hard to resist.)
Jack died in the gulag.
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Socialism is a failed system that has failed time and time again and those who still think it can work are the text-book definition of Insanity: Believing or peddling the same fucking Marxism shit over and over again in the vain hope it will work despite evidence showing otherwise.
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Yep.
The whole system is a trick. Either the person you're seeding power to is an asshole and they're tricking you, or the person seeking power to help others is in for a rude awakening when he finds out just how little his concern really means- also how much damage he'll actually be doing in the end.
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I do not understand; Is this one of those nonsense where people think they know it's socialism just because they found out about Soros's media and criticism based on it? Or what?
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I don't know what you're talking about.
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I'm not sure what the argument is here, because the size of the community doesn't matter if your overall point is "throwing money at an issue doesn't solve anything". Evidently a smaller community benefits from such a system according to you, so what's the threshold and why do you think that's the threshold?
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Several layers here actually. "Money isn't magic"- truth is problems with education, healthcare and poverty are money RELATED, however a lack of funds often is not the root trouble. If money were the solution to poverty, for instance, it would not be true that lottery winners tend to end up worse off AFTER winning than they were before they won.
To the actual image- government lacks any real connection with any given community or group, I even played with a theory a while back that you could distribute funds to smaller and smaller entities that COULD interact on a person to person level- trouble then is, why would they? What is their motivation to innovate and find the most efficient system, instead of constantly settling for mediocrity and standardizing it across the board? I was basically thinking up bureaucracy- the only person who theoretically cares about say, education, is that politician you put all your faith in, but a middle management bureaucrat, not so much, all he cares about is not getting caught (or punished for) cutting corners. Put all the faith you want in a politician's heart, he does not understand your community and the bureaucracy has no reason to care.
There is a reason education is standardized across the board, disadvantaging many children- and this isn't even addressing failing schools that never shut down with failing teachers that are never fired. Private and charity schools offer different learning styles for different children and often try one on one approaches, at least at first and there is a variety for parents to choose from.
I'll be fair and say that I think specified use vouchers aren't given as much of a chance as they could be, I think experiments there might be intriguing, but straight socialism functionally seems biased on naivety.
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I can see you put a lot of thought into this so kudos to you. I can also agree that beauracrats have no real connection to a community and can't necessarily fix everything.
I'm not sure what a charity school is, so you'd need to clarify that for me, but private schools are pretty great!
They're good because you get what you pay for.
They're also expensive.
Better resources at the school are correlated with successful students, but these resources cost money, and the costs for those things come out of tuition.
Unfortunately not everyone can afford to send their kids to a private school, and not all of them qualify for financial aid. Education can be a great platform to jump out of poverty, and a lack of access to those resources contributes to the cycle of poverty.
Government funded schools are pretty terrible, I agree, but there has to be *some* sort of school available for kids of parents with low income who can't qualify for financial aid. :/
I'm a big dumb dreamer so my idea is no building and everyone in the neighborhood gets together outside and learns about the community, history, science, etc in a way that's actually applicable to real world scenarios instead of memorizing dates in a history book lol
I mean at the very least it would be completely feasible and people could actually know who their neighbors are again
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I don't know how well it would work, but I wanna try George Bush's idea of giving vouchers to parents that can be used for education only. He purposed a stipulation that parents could keep any money they don't spend by finding a cheaper school to encourage competition. Probably an idea that could be fine tuned. It doesn't rely on the intelligence or good will of anyone not involved in the life of the child and it tries to rely on market forces to keep the price down- sounds like a pretty good idea actually and one that might be applicable in other sectors.
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