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Pinniplane [2021-01-24 04:47:37 +0000 UTC]
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eightyator [2017-11-23 01:02:04 +0000 UTC]
They were such cool airplanes, but Convair would be the first of many jetliner manufacturers to misread the market. Even Convair's former competitor, Douglass, would push trijets beyond their appeal. In recent history, Airbus's a380 would fail to sell as they'd hoped (not as bad as the 880/990) but nonetheless not the goal. Jetliner manufacturing is a hard game to play. But perhaps the most infamous was the Concorde - a revolutionary jet which was only operated by three airlines :/Β
Love the picture - great expression!
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Tulmur95 In reply to eightyator [2017-11-23 01:18:31 +0000 UTC]
Speed was the name of the game for the 880's and 990's. However, airlines weren't interested in them. They wanted size and range. The DC-8's and 707's fit the bill. Airbus bet on sheer size with the A380. Boeing went with the 787, a smaller, lighter, and more advanced mid sized jet that could travel between hubs, accomplishing the same job as a much larger plane for less money. I think Boeing made the right choice, and there was Airbus. Learning where the Boeing team screwed up and copying their concept with the A350. Suddenly, composites are the name of the game. It's all about range, weight savings, and efficiency. Passenger comfort is, well, we all know that's not the top priority. To think airliners were once so spacious for the passengers. Now we're cramped like sardines, and that's what we've grown accustomed to.
Thanks, 80.
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eightyator In reply to Tulmur95 [2017-11-23 01:28:38 +0000 UTC]
All true statements. People like to say this is the efficiency age of aviation. However, I beg to argue, efficiency has always been the name of the game (as demonstrated by the Concorde and Convairs)
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Tulmur95 In reply to eightyator [2017-11-23 01:46:44 +0000 UTC]
Efficiency is a broad term. It doesn't mean fuel consumption alone.
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eightyator In reply to Tulmur95 [2017-11-23 02:34:10 +0000 UTC]
Fuel burn, number of passengers, range, potential destinations, etc.Β
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eightyator In reply to Tulmur95 [2017-11-23 03:29:20 +0000 UTC]
Never fear, I do speak airlineseΒ
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Jojolantern2000 [2017-11-07 21:15:20 +0000 UTC]
Aww, I like his sad face.
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Tulmur95 In reply to Jojolantern2000 [2017-11-07 21:40:10 +0000 UTC]
He has good reason to be sad. His model is close to extinction.
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Tulmur95 In reply to Jojolantern2000 [2017-11-07 21:54:15 +0000 UTC]
The whole story with the Convair 880 and 990 is depressing. They were supposed to be the next big thing, but they went down in history as a failure due to a lack of interest from the airlines. Now they're all but forgotten.
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TERRAHAWK-chan1986 [2017-11-07 17:34:29 +0000 UTC]
heard of those folks before
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Tulmur95 In reply to TERRAHAWK-chan1986 [2017-11-07 21:44:04 +0000 UTC]
No, they're real. The Convair 880 and 990 were built to compete with the Boeing 707 and McDonnell-Douglas DC-8. But, they were a commercial failure. Although they were faster than any other airliner in service, airlines weren't interested. Only 102 Convair 880's and 990's were ever built, and only a few still exist. Because of the failure of the planes and the huge amount of money that was wasted, the company that owns Convair, General Dynamics, never built another passenger plane.
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Admiral-Frazier [2017-11-07 03:51:45 +0000 UTC]
Honestly the 707 was the main airliner of their time because when Dash 80 did her famous barrel roll, that showed Boeing could make an airliner that could handle and endure. It was a ballsy move but one that showed, hey maybe we're not the fastest but we can get passengers where they need to go in sturdy planes that can prove themselves to be quite impressive.
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Tulmur95 In reply to Admiral-Frazier [2017-11-07 03:57:40 +0000 UTC]
The 707's were good, but there really aren't many of them left flying. Unlike the DC-8. A number of them are still used as freighters. What about the 880 and 990? Any thoughts?
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Admiral-Frazier In reply to Tulmur95 [2017-11-07 03:59:59 +0000 UTC]
Well. TBH they're like Concordes. Beautiful, and deserving of fans. But realistically, too expensive, and too fast for their own good.
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Tulmur95 In reply to Admiral-Frazier [2017-11-07 04:13:13 +0000 UTC]
In a way, yes, they are. At least the history remembers the Concorde. Besides, it gave us Killer Concordes.
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Admiral-Frazier In reply to Tulmur95 [2017-11-07 04:14:03 +0000 UTC]
Hehe, yes it did. Yes it did. I like killer Concordes.
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bobblychicken [2017-11-07 03:12:13 +0000 UTC]
Oh wow he's so cool! How sad though! That so many of them were put to death for the crime of becoming obsolete. I haven't forgotten them, and I certainly miss them. This is really great though, especially the face, even though he looks sad and jaded.
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Tulmur95 In reply to bobblychicken [2017-11-07 03:19:12 +0000 UTC]
Its simple economics for the airlines. If its a plane that's no longer profitable, its too expensive to fuel and maintain, and modernization is too much of a financial burden, there's no point in keeping it in the inventory. I also tweaked the color levels when I scanned the drawing, so there is less color than there should be.
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bobblychicken In reply to Tulmur95 [2017-11-07 03:27:03 +0000 UTC]
Poor things. These are real living breathing beings with feelings and thoughts of their own. I feel like animals are treated with more respect and rights than the machine folk in your canon. Seems like there's "Cutters-like" sentiments in your world too. It would make sense though, that by now the paint would be a little faded and not as bright as it was back when they were new.
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Tulmur95 In reply to bobblychicken [2017-11-07 03:40:05 +0000 UTC]
The airliners as we know them were the result of genetic experimentation and selective breeding. They were never supposed to exist in the first place. Although some models are much more in tune with their jet ancestry than others, the 707 and DC-8 are among them. Because of their sheer size, it's not really possible for them to procreate without assistance of some kind. Because they were created in laboratory conditions and in batches for some, they were made to serve, meaning submissiveness and a willingness to follow orders. Emotions and thoughts are inherent, but since they're property of the airlines, they don't have much of a say. Charter and private aircraft are allowed to live their own lives and marry whomever they wish. A lot of it depends on if an aircraft is born into an airline or not. It is possible for an aircraft born to an active airliner to live freely, but it's uncommon for jet airliners and free jets to 'interact.' Some airlines are more lenient than others when it comes to obsolescence. Some require that aircraft who are no longer able to carry passengers be converted into freighters. After serving as a freighter, they're allowed to live their own lives. However, some airlines demand that obsolete aircraft be liquidated, meaning destroyed. It's pure chance that one is born into a good airline or a bad one.
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bobblychicken In reply to Tulmur95 [2017-11-07 03:45:28 +0000 UTC]
Goodness how awful. Although, that's still not as raw a deal as the machine folk would be getting in my canon if the Cutters were ever to succeed.
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Tulmur95 In reply to bobblychicken [2017-11-07 03:56:22 +0000 UTC]
Luckily, they didn't. And, the situation is 50/50 for an airliner. Either you do have a choice and a chance at happiness after a long career, or you don't. Regardless, it's completely beyond your control. Your destiny hinges upon which airline you're born into. Some are willing to accept compromises and allow dependable, upstanding aircraft to live, and more importantly for the company, breed. To pass on desired traits and ensure a future populated by equally solid, dependable planes.
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bobblychicken In reply to Tulmur95 [2017-11-07 04:04:11 +0000 UTC]
No they didn't. Although I have been waffling on whether or not to do a sort of AU to the If You Tame Me canon in which the Cutters succeed in their experiments and subsequently begin their take-over, but I may decide not to. It would simply be too sad, full of death, and unspeakable horrors. No one would be immune. There are of course those lucky or else unlucky few left alive that will be given a choice too, but I'm sure most would rather just die than choose either.
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Tulmur95 In reply to bobblychicken [2017-11-07 04:11:26 +0000 UTC]
I'd rather see something uplifting. Perhaps Gale having the baby, with Isabelle, Shadow, and Rip being right there by her side when it happens. Or, perhaps Isabelle having one herself.
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bobblychicken In reply to Tulmur95 [2017-11-07 04:24:56 +0000 UTC]
Yes. Although for the first option, it would be best if only Rip and Isabelle allowed in. Gale will need as calm and quite an environment as possible and won't appreciate being too crowded. In the case of Isabelle having her own baby, I'd imagine that it would be a tense affair considering the risks of pregnancy for someone in her condition, but when it was all over with so, so joyous and satisfying. Things have come full circle. It's difficult to choose which one I'd rather see. To see Isabelle present for the birth of her new nephew and gain experience and encouragement, or to see that experience and encouragement put to the test when it's her turn.
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Tulmur95 In reply to bobblychicken [2017-11-07 04:30:35 +0000 UTC]
I think the best starting point for Isabelle would be to see Gale go through with it.
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bobblychicken In reply to Tulmur95 [2017-11-07 04:35:17 +0000 UTC]
Yes. I can see that moment being very heart-warming. How proud and happy a moment would that be for Rip? To have his sister Isabelle be there for such an occasion.
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Tulmur95 In reply to bobblychicken [2017-11-07 14:26:27 +0000 UTC]
I think he'd be very proud. What if Gale went off to the remnant of her childhood home, without notice? While Rip is panicking, Isabelle finds her based on the address on the back of an old photograph.
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bobblychicken In reply to Tulmur95 [2017-11-07 17:42:19 +0000 UTC]
Well while that would make for good drama, if this is base off of my canon, Rip, while certainly worried as to why she would run off during such a time, would easily be able to find her, as he and Gale share a Soul. No matter where they are, a Bonded Pair always knows the status of the other.
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Tulmur95 In reply to bobblychicken [2017-11-07 18:08:38 +0000 UTC]
In that case, he'd know she isn't in danger. Be that as it may, she could've said something before vanishing. If it was her recalling events of her past by visiting where it all took place, I think he'd understand.
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bobblychicken In reply to Tulmur95 [2017-11-07 18:21:12 +0000 UTC]
Right. And he would understand. I wonder what would prompt her to go there? To each their own but I would neverΒ think to goΒ back to any of the places where traumatic things had happened/were done to me. It comes to me enough in my nightmares.
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Tulmur95 In reply to bobblychicken [2017-11-07 20:08:47 +0000 UTC]
Perhaps she'd go there in hopes of finding something she left behind. Something she treasured as a child. Maybe something that belonged to her brother. When she finds it, she meets someone she used to know, one of the few people who really understood her and her brother.
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bobblychicken In reply to Tulmur95 [2017-11-07 20:27:10 +0000 UTC]
Ah... How intriguing. I wonder who that might be?
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Tulmur95 In reply to bobblychicken [2017-11-07 21:52:54 +0000 UTC]
I was thinking of a kid Gale and Byron knew. He's a seer like Tom. When she sees him again, he's a mature man and an Oklahoma state police officer. Back when Byron was alive, he almost didn't need his eyes to see or know where he was. If he bumped into something, he always remembered where it was so he wouldn't hit it again. That, and he could sense sound, scent, pressure differences, and every soul around him. He had an almost hyperactive soul. He could always sense whenever Gale was afraid or in need of comfort. Sometimes just being in his presence was enough to soothe her. Back when their stepfather hit him and Gale jumped to Byron's defense, he felt every ounce of pain she experienced. Although he wasn't the one being hit and clobbered senselessly, he felt it all the same. And when he smelled gas from the broken furnace, he knew he had to defend his sister at all costs. Indeed, he did. Although he died, he ensured that she would survive. And when he died, he took a massive portion of Gale with him.
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bobblychicken In reply to Tulmur95 [2017-11-07 22:16:14 +0000 UTC]
Ah, very interesting indeed. The Seers are a very eclectic but very solemn and disciplined people. There are three sub-sects that a Seer can fall into. Seers can feel and "visualize" the activity of a Soul, Listeners can feel and "hear" the activity of the Soul, and then there's the ultra rare Knower, who can do both. But all are simply collectively known as Seers. Clarice is a Listener. Tom is a Knower. And it sounds like your guy is also a Knower. Very cool! But remember, the communication is only one way. The aircraft gets no such signals, because the human soul, while carrying extra qualities, is not the type of Soul that the machine folk possess.
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